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Old 07-21-2012 | 07:37 AM
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There is/was a thread going on yellowbullet about dry ice intercoolers. anyone ever mess around with things other then water/ice water?

here is a breakdown of mixtures of things which would maintain these temperatures on their own. i have no idea how they act once heat is introducted but i did read about some land speed guys using glycol and dry ice and getting something like 40 deg IAT in the desert.

im assuming you would run into issues of pumping this stuff that is really cold and maybe cracking or doing something else bad to the IC or tank/lines.

13 °C p-Xylene/ dry ice
12 °C Dioxane/ dry ice
6 °C Cyclohexane/ dry ice
5 °C Benzene/ dry ice
2 °C Formamide/ dry ice
0 °C Crushed Ice
-5 -> -20 °C Ice/Salt
-10.5 °C Ethylene Glycol/ dry ice
-12 °C Cycloheptane/ dry ice
-15 °C Benzyl alcohol/ dry ice
-22 °C Tetrachloroethylene/ dry ice
-22.8 °C Carbon Tetrachloride/ dry ice
-25°C 1,3-Dichlorobenezene/ dry ice
-29 °C o-Xylene/ dry ice
-32 °C m-Toluidine/ dry ice
-41 °C Acetonitrile/ dry ice
-42 °C Pyridine/ dry ice
-47 °C m-Xylene/ dry ice
-56 °C n-Octane/ dry ice
-60 °C Isopropyl Ether/ dry ice
-77 °C Acetone/ dry ice
-77 °C Butyl Acetate/ dry ice
-83 °C Propyl Amine/ dry ice
-83.6 °C Ethyl Acetate/Liq N2
-89 °C n-Butanol/Liq N2
-94 °C Hexane/Liq N2
-94.6 °C Acetone/Liq N2
-95.1 °C Toluene/Liq N2
-98 °C Methanol/Liq N2
-100 °C Ethyl Ether/dry ice
-104 °C Cyclohexane/Liq N2
-116 °C Ethanol/Liq N2
-116 °C Ethyl Ether/Liq N2
-131 °C n-Pentane/Liq N2
-160 °C Isopentane/Liq N2
-196 °C Liq N2
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Just get an intercooler built that has the tank built on top of it, so that no pump/lines are needed.
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Old 07-22-2012 | 01:16 PM
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there are dry ice IC like that. cant do it when its sandwiched between the blower and manifold though
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I need some liquid nitrogen.
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Originally Posted by schino
im assuming you would run into issues of pumping this stuff that is really cold and maybe cracking or doing something else bad to the IC or tank/lines.
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No pump or lines to worry about.
Old 07-24-2012 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by schino
There is/was a thread going on yellowbullet about dry ice intercoolers. anyone ever mess around with things other then water/ice water?

here is a breakdown of mixtures of things which would maintain these temperatures on their own. i have no idea how they act once heat is introducted but i did read about some land speed guys using glycol and dry ice and getting something like 40 deg IAT in the desert.

im assuming you would run into issues of pumping this stuff that is really cold and maybe cracking or doing something else bad to the IC or tank/lines.

13 °C p-Xylene/ dry ice
12 °C Dioxane/ dry ice
6 °C Cyclohexane/ dry ice
5 °C Benzene/ dry ice
2 °C Formamide/ dry ice
0 °C Crushed Ice
-5 -> -20 °C Ice/Salt
-10.5 °C Ethylene Glycol/ dry ice
-12 °C Cycloheptane/ dry ice
-15 °C Benzyl alcohol/ dry ice
-22 °C Tetrachloroethylene/ dry ice
-22.8 °C Carbon Tetrachloride/ dry ice
-25°C 1,3-Dichlorobenezene/ dry ice
-29 °C o-Xylene/ dry ice
-32 °C m-Toluidine/ dry ice
-41 °C Acetonitrile/ dry ice
-42 °C Pyridine/ dry ice
-47 °C m-Xylene/ dry ice
-56 °C n-Octane/ dry ice
-60 °C Isopropyl Ether/ dry ice
-77 °C Acetone/ dry ice
-77 °C Butyl Acetate/ dry ice
-83 °C Propyl Amine/ dry ice
-83.6 °C Ethyl Acetate/Liq N2
-89 °C n-Butanol/Liq N2
-94 °C Hexane/Liq N2
-94.6 °C Acetone/Liq N2
-95.1 °C Toluene/Liq N2
-98 °C Methanol/Liq N2
-100 °C Ethyl Ether/dry ice
-104 °C Cyclohexane/Liq N2
-116 °C Ethanol/Liq N2
-116 °C Ethyl Ether/Liq N2
-131 °C n-Pentane/Liq N2
-160 °C Isopentane/Liq N2
-196 °C Liq N2
some of this stuff would boil off and evaporate once it was given a blast of hot air. So if the tank was vented, you would lose your cooling agent in short order. If the tank was sealed, it would build pressure. It would build up to a pressure that was consistant with the temp of the compressed air charge. to effectively use the material past its boiling stage, it would have to be compressed, condensed, and returned back to the intercooler to cool the air again. It would be a giant A/C system. So for short runs, some of this could be done ( vented to atmosphere ) , but on the street, you would need an a/c system the size of one for your house.
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Originally Posted by dimetweaker
some of this stuff would boil off and evaporate once it was given a blast of hot air. So if the tank was vented, you would lose your cooling agent in short order. If the tank was sealed, it would build pressure. It would build up to a pressure that was consistant with the temp of the compressed air charge. to effectively use the material past its boiling stage, it would have to be compressed, condensed, and returned back to the intercooler to cool the air again. It would be a giant A/C system. So for short runs, some of this could be done ( vented to atmosphere ) , but on the street, you would need an a/c system the size of one for your house.
Or you could transfer the temperature to a liquid....ie alchohol and dry ice.

FYI ethanol freezes at a lower temperature than methanol, and is also less corrosive.
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I know it's crazy but a fish tank water cooler would be interesting lol like I said crazy but interesting .
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