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Old 03-21-2015 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jakeshoe
I don't need to show my knowledge of the 4L80E. It's been more than proven.
Guess that's why one of your own customers stated he would rather have a Rossler if he had the $$ over yours. That's what your little childish rant has been about here on my thread sir....

Originally Posted by GMCtrk
I wanted the most badass 80e there was and had the $$$ to spend, it would be Rossler. The name stands for itself. That being said, my Jake's hasn't given me any issues as it should, supposed to be good for over 1000 got everything in it short of a billet main shaft and transbrake.
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I've never understood this.
People that have never even ran Rossler unit's give him undue credit.
I assure you, your transmission is as well built if not better than a Rossler.
I've been into the Rossler units, FLT units, RPM units, and about every other popular builder on the market.

I've been into them all because at some point in time, they all have issues.
There is no other company in the aftermarket performance transmission industry that builds as many 4L80E's as Jake's. Many other companies use parts from Jake's, but I do acknowledge that Rossler is the very best in the industry.
I think you owe me and everyone else an apology for cluttering up my thread with your BS because you got a little butt-hurt

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Old 03-21-2015 | 09:28 PM
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I wasn't ranting nor am I butt hurt. You didn't seem to appreciate the technical help I was giving because I mentioned you should pay FLT for your error. If you don't like the help I will simply discontinue to give it. It's not a problem for me.

My customer is more than welcome to go to Rossler if he feels Rossler has something to offer that I don't.
Rossler doesn't get on internet forums and help enthusiasts. This thread is a good example of why I shouldn't.

Good luck solving your issue.
Old 03-21-2015 | 10:44 PM
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I wasn't ranting nor am I butt hurt. You didn't seem to appreciate the technical help I was giving because I mentioned you should pay FLT for your error. If you don't like the help I will simply discontinue to give it. It's not a problem for me.

My customer is more than welcome to go to Rossler if he feels Rossler has something to offer that I don't.
Rossler doesn't get on internet forums and help enthusiasts. This thread is a good example of why I shouldn't.

Good luck solving your issue.
If your idea of technical help is telling me I should repay FLT for an error, an error which you later admitted wouldn't hurt anything might I add, you should just keep your mouth shut because that's not help. Help would have been answering the questions I posed to you, which you obviously don't know the answers to.

Just an FYI Jake, I spoke to you several times on the phone last year and decided not to go with your company to build my trans due to your attitude and poor customer service...which Imo has be so graciously displayed for all to read here on this site. Even though I had problems with FLT's product (which was most probably just a rare anomaly), Chuck has always given me awesome customer service, advice and obviously stands behind his builds 100%. That being said, anyone in search of a great trans. Builder should choose FLT over Jakes any day of the week.

Good luck to you Sir, you need it more than me!
Old 03-21-2015 | 10:52 PM
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To address you Jake,

Your transmission has worked well for me, no issues. But I also installed the transmission appropriately with attention to detail.

As you might be able to tell from my user info, I've been on this forum for quite a while. I've seen a lot of sponsors come and go. And I've seen a lot of sponsors claiming to be the best and then next thing you know they're gone because they've either been exposed for selling a defunct product or scamming people. It's not a bad business model if you're a piece of **** I suppose; you pay your sponsor fees and then advertise like crazy that you're the best, or have a unique product, get people on the bandwagon and then get out.

I'm not lumping you into this category, however, whenever I see someone claiming to be the best or ripping other companies, I immediately tend to ignore it. I've met you and you seem to have a good product and customer service. But, wasn't Rossler around before Jake's transmissions? Didn't Rossler have the first 4l80e in a 7 second vehicle? I've simply stated my opinion that, money aside, I would have purchased a Rossler transmission. However, for the money I couldn't get the same trans you built me with Rossler, or FLT or RPM for that matter.
Old 03-21-2015 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
But I also installed the transmission appropriately with attention to detail.
Some might see this comment as you insinuating I didn't install mine appropriately with attention to detail. Although I personally installed my first trans. with little to no previous experience, I can assure you it was installed with tremendous attention to detail and all my work was checked and double checked by my brother who is a certified GM Master Tech. The fluid was even personally filled by my Brother while I was on the phone with Chuck from FLT to verify. We were informed by FLT to fill to the level on the dipstick and NOT to over fill.

As stated by Rob earlier, FLT uses a stop so the dipstick sits in the proper location and removal of the pan should not be necessary to check the proper fluid level.

The transmission I'm having problems with now was installed and filled by a different GM Master Tech and followed the same fill guidelines as outlined by the owner of FLT.

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Old 03-21-2015 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
To address you Jake,

Your transmission has worked well for me, no issues. But I also installed the transmission appropriately with attention to detail.

As you might be able to tell from my user info, I've been on this forum for quite a while. I've seen a lot of sponsors come and go. And I've seen a lot of sponsors claiming to be the best and then next thing you know they're gone because they've either been exposed for selling a defunct product or scamming people. It's not a bad business model if you're a piece of **** I suppose; you pay your sponsor fees and then advertise like crazy that you're the best, or have a unique product, get people on the bandwagon and then get out.

I'm not lumping you into this category, however, whenever I see someone claiming to be the best or ripping other companies, I immediately tend to ignore it. I've met you and you seem to have a good product and customer service. But, wasn't Rossler around before Jake's transmissions? Didn't Rossler have the first 4l80e in a 7 second vehicle? I've simply stated my opinion that, money aside, I would have purchased a Rossler transmission. However, for the money I couldn't get the same trans you built me with Rossler, or FLT or RPM for that matter.
I'm not ripping Rossler. Anybody in this industry that has a good reputation has earned it. I just don't get all the folks that give credit where no credit is due. i.e., they've never used his (or any other vendors) product but they talk them up.
I've been into his units and from the one's I've seen I would refer a customer to FLT before I would send them to Rossler. There just isn't anything special going on that you can't get from other vendors.
Maybe I should quit trying to help out on forums, double my prices, and adopt his approach though. You aren't necessarily getting more just because you pay more. That's the point I was trying to make.

That's a side discussion anyway.

I've been a sponsor on LS1Tech for a long time. I decided to discontinue the sponsorship because it is an outdated form of marketing and we don't need to advertise at this point. We've had a long run and to be honest I don't care for IBB at all and never really have. Just a necessary evil at the time. I should have cancelled over a year ago.

You must be one of the knowledgeable customers that accepts responsibility for your installation Those are the type that we enjoy dealing with. FLT and others too I'm sure.

I was simply trying to provide some tech assistance and enlightenment to the OP and possibly help him solve his issues but decided it wasn't in my interests to do so any longer. Enough information was given that the cause is obvious to anybody with a basic understanding of hydraulics.
Old 03-22-2015 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jakeshoe
I'm not ripping Rossler. Anybody in this industry that has a good reputation has earned it. I just don't get all the folks that give credit where no credit is due. i.e., they've never used his (or any other vendors) product but they talk them up.
I've been into his units and from the one's I've seen I would refer a customer to FLT before I would send them to Rossler. There just isn't anything special going on that you can't get from other vendors.
Maybe I should quit trying to help out on forums, double my prices, and adopt his approach though. You aren't necessarily getting more just because you pay more. That's the point I was trying to make.

That's a side discussion anyway.

I've been a sponsor on LS1Tech for a long time. I decided to discontinue the sponsorship because it is an outdated form of marketing and we don't need to advertise at this point. We've had a long run and to be honest I don't care for IBB at all and never really have. Just a necessary evil at the time. I should have cancelled over a year ago.

You must be one of the knowledgeable customers that accepts responsibility for your installation Those are the type that we enjoy dealing with. FLT and others too I'm sure.

I was simply trying to provide some tech assistance and enlightenment to the OP and possibly help him solve his issues but decided it wasn't in my interests to do so any longer. Enough information was given that the cause is obvious to anybody with a basic understanding of hydraulics.
^^this guy has given out more free advice that I've seen than I've ever seen any of the other shops give out combined!

Not to mention that what he's said in this thread has been spot on, until the OP got butthurt and started calling him names (yes, I saw what you did and it's not funny). This is why Jake has clammed up many a time before and stopped giving free advice...which I much appreciate him giving but fully understand him stopping when nobody wants to listen. (FYI, I'd love to listen to you talk about 80E design and what makes it run/fail/stronger/etc.)

I hang out at the local shop that built my transmission because there's ALWAYS something interesting to learn, particularly about other models of transmissions.

(fyi, my 3rd/rev checkball is not in my transmission anymore and it hasn't burnt up *yet*)

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Old 03-22-2015 | 03:07 AM
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I'll give a cliffnotes. Dude torched his intermediates (twice), Jake and a few others gave the precise reason why, dude didn't like the answer got, and the rest is history.

Jake has given away more knowledge than anyone I know. He's always been there to help on the phone, email, and facebook message. I've come to realize that yes, transmission builders come across as "stressed" at times. I've talked with jake at lengths about what he goes through on a day to day basis, just listening to what he goes through stresses me out, I couldn't imagine being in his shoes.
Old 03-22-2015 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CameronVic
I'll give a cliffnotes. Dude torched his intermediates (twice), Jake and a few others gave the precise reason why, dude didn't like the answer got, and the rest is history.
^^wrong. I tried Jake's advice and it didn't work. Jake didn't like the answer HE got with my results because OVERFILLING didn't fix my pressure drop problem. I asked multiple times why the pressure drop was still there and Jake refused to answer.

Originally Posted by jakeshoe
It would likely be fine if it was "FULL" and not over the line.
Then he backtracks, turns around and says this ^^ My fluid was always "FULL" and not once under the line.

Originally Posted by Suburbazine
Not to mention that what he's said in this thread has been spot on, until the OP got butthurt and started calling him names (yes, I saw what you did and it's not funny).
Not sure what planet you're living on, since I never started calling him names.

Here's the real cliffnotes: Overfilling my trans. didn't solve the pressure drop issue. I politely told Jake his solution didn't work - he got butt hurt again, (once by his own customer touting Rossler and once by my answer) I asked him why the pressure drop was still there and he never answered.

All I wanted to know is why over filling the transmission didn't solve my pressure drop problem at the 1-2 wot shift - this is the problem I'm having, this is the title of my thread and no one seems to know the answer. Especially Jake.

This thread has become a complete joke, you guys have fun - I'm unsubscribing now.

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Old 03-22-2015 | 08:49 AM
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I think you got your answer a few posts ago about the piston volume changing when it applies. More volume -> less pressure.

As to why it didnt fix your problem, probably because the damage is already done (see the pic I posted above). As far as if its actually a problem, I'm not convinced. The shifts dont have to be neck-snapping to be effective.


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