Am I the only one who hates DDing a stall?
10-28-2015, 08:07 AM
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10-28-2015, 01:02 PM
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10-28-2015, 03:55 PM
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To the OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Stall in a DD is somewhat annoying lol. For a play toy/ occasional driver by all means the stall is mandatory for maximizing the combo. I do think that the stall is only one element of the overall trans package. Trans tuning is VITAL (ie partially or completely removing torque management), the shift kit, and also the powerband of the motor. I always scratch my head when I see youtube vids of guys installing MS4 cams and car intakes in a 5000lb crew cab truck with 20's on it? The fundamentals of hot rodding, in regards to stall converters, applies more than ever. Over gearing/ under gearing, over camming/ under camming, over stalling/ under stalling, cylinder head runner size, static compression, everything must work together in sync. Guys often think they can replicate a forum post and be happy with the results. When you are changing the OEM formula, you better be doing your research or ride in someone else's truck that you like, otherwise the likelihood for disappointment is nearly guaranteed. I learned this lesson back in my 5.0 days when I put "ported" Trick Flow heads (no flow numbers) on a 9:1 stock shortblock and a single plane Victor Jr intake and 750 carb. I couldn't even spin the damn tires and I was devastated lol.
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
10-28-2015, 04:24 PM
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To the OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Stall in a DD is somewhat annoying lol. For a play toy/ occasional driver by all means the stall is mandatory for maximizing the combo. I do think that the stall is only one element of the overall trans package. Trans tuning is VITAL (ie partially or completely removing torque management), the shift kit, and also the powerband of the motor. I always scratch my head when I see youtube vids of guys installing MS4 cams and car intakes in a 5000lb crew cab truck with 20's on it? The fundamentals of hot rodding, in regards to stall converters, applies more than ever. Over gearing/ under gearing, over camming/ under camming, over stalling/ under stalling, cylinder head runner size, static compression, everything must work together in sync. Guys often think they can replicate a forum post and be happy with the results. When you are changing the OEM formula, you better be doing your research or ride in someone else's truck that you like, otherwise the likelihood for disappointment is nearly guaranteed. I learned this lesson back in my 5.0 days when I put "ported" Trick Flow heads (no flow numbers) on a 9:1 stock shortblock and a single plane Victor Jr intake and 750 carb. I couldn't even spin the damn tires and I was devastated lol.
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
12-22-2015, 09:04 AM
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To the OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Stall in a DD is somewhat annoying lol. For a play toy/ occasional driver by all means the stall is mandatory for maximizing the combo. I do think that the stall is only one element of the overall trans package. Trans tuning is VITAL (ie partially or completely removing torque management), the shift kit, and also the powerband of the motor. I always scratch my head when I see youtube vids of guys installing MS4 cams and car intakes in a 5000lb crew cab truck with 20's on it? The fundamentals of hot rodding, in regards to stall converters, applies more than ever. Over gearing/ under gearing, over camming/ under camming, over stalling/ under stalling, cylinder head runner size, static compression, everything must work together in sync. Guys often think they can replicate a forum post and be happy with the results. When you are changing the OEM formula, you better be doing your research or ride in someone else's truck that you like, otherwise the likelihood for disappointment is nearly guaranteed. I learned this lesson back in my 5.0 days when I put "ported" Trick Flow heads (no flow numbers) on a 9:1 stock shortblock and a single plane Victor Jr intake and 750 carb. I couldn't even spin the damn tires and I was devastated lol.
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
For the last few months before I tore my truck apart for the turbo, I was DD'ing a bone stock 145k LM7 with an 80e swap and a Circle D 2B 3200 stall (it would stall to about 2800 with the stock motor) and 3.42 gears. Before I tuned the trans based off an HPT forum post, I was devastated. The truck felt like total mush. But when I disabled torque management and all the other tweaks, I started to enjoy it a lot more. I think a big thing that made me enjoy the stall even slightly was I knew boost was right around the corner... I'm building a GMT400 Tahoe DD with a baby cam'ed LQ9 and you can bet your *** I'll be using a stock stall converter...
12-22-2015, 09:21 AM
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I was never a fan of DDing my yank or precision industries. I had that it always sounded like it was struggling to get out of its way; however hit the go fast peddle and I didn't have this problem. The only real times I regretted a convertor was when I was towing 8k+ pounds. It sounded like it was going to blow up, but had plenty of power.
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.. so for me i hate a stall in a DD. Ive owned Circle D, Yank, Vig and a few others.. but yes for a weekend toy or something im all for it.. maybe im just getting old.. 
With my Denali for example im going stock stall, full boltons, baby cam (215/227) maybe some 3.73s, and maybe a Positive diplacement blower.