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I've noticed that you guys on here have had some questions reguarding throttle body porting and bump stop mods.
Well we just became a sponsor so now I can help you guys out on the forum.
One thing I'd like to show you guys is our adjustable throttle stop mod. It allows you to dial in your wide open throttle position and get whatever reading you want from your autotap or voltmeter in about 1/10 the time with no grinding.
I'm hoping to get pics of this mod up soon. We don't have them in the pics at our site, but many customers units have them. Hopefully I can get some feedback up here from them about the mod, but until then check out our site: Bauer Racing Engines
Our F-body unit is identical to the Truck unit as far as modifications go. We only use a different core on the trucks, sicne the coolant lines are different.
If you have any questions post them here, or e-mail me @ bretbauer@hotmail.com.
BTW we also have a GP on throttle bodies going on untill the 13th. Group Buy on LS1tech.com
Bret
Well we just became a sponsor so now I can help you guys out on the forum.
One thing I'd like to show you guys is our adjustable throttle stop mod. It allows you to dial in your wide open throttle position and get whatever reading you want from your autotap or voltmeter in about 1/10 the time with no grinding.
I'm hoping to get pics of this mod up soon. We don't have them in the pics at our site, but many customers units have them. Hopefully I can get some feedback up here from them about the mod, but until then check out our site: Bauer Racing Engines
Our F-body unit is identical to the Truck unit as far as modifications go. We only use a different core on the trucks, sicne the coolant lines are different.
If you have any questions post them here, or e-mail me @ bretbauer@hotmail.com.
BTW we also have a GP on throttle bodies going on untill the 13th. Group Buy on LS1tech.com
Bret
09-04-2002, 11:57 AM
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Hmmmm, $110 plus S/H to have you guys do it, or 30 minutes, and $10 for the owner to do it. Those prices are a bit high dont you think? How much Heat does the powdercoat retain on the TB?
09-04-2002, 06:23 PM
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Hey that's cool you got a business going on this stuff now (if you are the same guy who posted this stuff like 4months ago)
Your products look sweet. Not trying to tell you how to do your stuff, but you should work on the butterfly too. Knife edge that brick on a belt sander! I did mine perfectly that way (dont take any out of the middle though b/c it slides in between the shaft) but I'm sure you already thought about that part. Also, file down that throttle shaft so that it's thin too. The screws will stick out a little bit then, but just cut the excess threads off. Mine is held on just fine with two and a half threads and red locktite.
I agree with you -a dremel should not touch a throttle body- it's just too inaccurate other than polishing.
You've got a good thing going, Ryan
Your products look sweet. Not trying to tell you how to do your stuff, but you should work on the butterfly too. Knife edge that brick on a belt sander! I did mine perfectly that way (dont take any out of the middle though b/c it slides in between the shaft) but I'm sure you already thought about that part. Also, file down that throttle shaft so that it's thin too. The screws will stick out a little bit then, but just cut the excess threads off. Mine is held on just fine with two and a half threads and red locktite.
I agree with you -a dremel should not touch a throttle body- it's just too inaccurate other than polishing.
You've got a good thing going, Ryan
09-04-2002, 07:23 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan23silverado:
<strong>Hey that's cool you got a business going on this stuff now (if you are the same guy who posted this stuff like 4months ago)
Your products look sweet. Not trying to tell you how to do your stuff, but you should work on the butterfly too. Knife edge that brick on a belt sander! I did mine perfectly that way (dont take any out of the middle though b/c it slides in between the shaft) but I'm sure you already thought about that part. Also, file down that throttle shaft so that it's thin too. The screws will stick out a little bit then, but just cut the excess threads off. Mine is held on just fine with two and a half threads and red locktite.
I agree with you -a dremel should not touch a throttle body- it's just too inaccurate other than polishing.
You've got a good thing going, Ryan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ryan,
The funny thing about airflow is that it doesn't do what you think it does. When you work on intake manifolds knive edging a runner divider hurts flow. Airflow likes to have round edges. So a knife edge on a throttle blade will not help airflow and I'm still iffy on the thinned out throttle shaft. The other problem with the knife edging is that if it's not perfect it will hurt the closed position sealing and my whole process tries to avoid that. I'll do something on the throttle bodies if the flow bench tells me too. I might hack another one up after I get my engine done for the Popular Hot Rodding Engine Masters competition.
The threads stick out on a stock one so that's one thing I fix anyways.
So yeah I have looked at that I just need to see proof that the flow bench likes it, and it doesn't hurt durability.
Bret
<small>[ September 04, 2002, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: SStrokerAce ]</small>
<strong>Hey that's cool you got a business going on this stuff now (if you are the same guy who posted this stuff like 4months ago)
Your products look sweet. Not trying to tell you how to do your stuff, but you should work on the butterfly too. Knife edge that brick on a belt sander! I did mine perfectly that way (dont take any out of the middle though b/c it slides in between the shaft) but I'm sure you already thought about that part. Also, file down that throttle shaft so that it's thin too. The screws will stick out a little bit then, but just cut the excess threads off. Mine is held on just fine with two and a half threads and red locktite.
I agree with you -a dremel should not touch a throttle body- it's just too inaccurate other than polishing.
You've got a good thing going, Ryan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ryan,
The funny thing about airflow is that it doesn't do what you think it does. When you work on intake manifolds knive edging a runner divider hurts flow. Airflow likes to have round edges. So a knife edge on a throttle blade will not help airflow and I'm still iffy on the thinned out throttle shaft. The other problem with the knife edging is that if it's not perfect it will hurt the closed position sealing and my whole process tries to avoid that. I'll do something on the throttle bodies if the flow bench tells me too. I might hack another one up after I get my engine done for the Popular Hot Rodding Engine Masters competition.
The threads stick out on a stock one so that's one thing I fix anyways.
So yeah I have looked at that I just need to see proof that the flow bench likes it, and it doesn't hurt durability.
Bret
<small>[ September 04, 2002, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: SStrokerAce ]</small>
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Everyone has opinions. I think it is a noble service that you provide for someone who cant do it. For anyone else, if you have the knowledge tools and time, do it yourself. $I think $110 is still alot. Stroker, please understand im not trying to bash you in any way, i am just stating my opinion.
09-05-2002, 12:06 AM
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Damnit! my blade almost cuts me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> You guys sell butterflys seperate so I can make a rounded one? I was going off tips to make a Quadrajet flow more and they said knifedge em.
Yeah, butterfly seal is extremely important (the little hole makes it idle 500 rpm's- get a space around the butterfly and you will see a bad 600 rpm idle)I held mine up to the sun and set the screws when I couldn't see any light coming past the butterfly seal to the TB housing.
Just shave the shaft down (it'll prob be another 30cfm's) Oh yeah if I remember correctly, the shaft is flat on top. At least make it "rounded" for better airflow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I should give you my throttle body and see who outflows who though.
Yeah, butterfly seal is extremely important (the little hole makes it idle 500 rpm's- get a space around the butterfly and you will see a bad 600 rpm idle)I held mine up to the sun and set the screws when I couldn't see any light coming past the butterfly seal to the TB housing.
Just shave the shaft down (it'll prob be another 30cfm's) Oh yeah if I remember correctly, the shaft is flat on top. At least make it "rounded" for better airflow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I should give you my throttle body and see who outflows who though.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Maxmumboom:
<strong>Hmmmm, $110 plus S/H to have you guys do it, or 30 minutes, and $10 for the owner to do it. Those prices are a bit high dont you think? How much Heat does the powdercoat retain on the TB?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well if you read closely it's $110 including shipping. And now we are doing a group buy that gives you $10 more off. Trust me we have the process of porting these down to as fast as they can go and it takes longer than 30 mins. It takes about 30 mins just to do all the machine work.
Yeah, you can pull it off your truck and hog it out with a dremel, it might not work right and is not very precise. Doing this the right way is worth the $100. We make sure that the throttle plate to bore seal is perfect, you can't do that with a dremel.
As for the powder coat, you can have that done or not done. Honestly since the air is in the throttle body for such a short period of time it's not going to cost you anything. That's an option for people who want the throttle body to look good, I do just as many non coated ones as I do coated ones.
Hey, it's your opinion. Your entitled to it. I was one of those people who wouldn't pay to have it done that's why I started doing these. Once you figure how to do it the right way, doing it for someone else is just a service that I provide.
Think about this, for $110 you make sure you get one that works. If you screw yours up then, your SOL. If we do it and it doens't work then we have to make sure it does for you. I realize that and have never had any customer problems.
For what we give you a $110 is the lowest price on the market. The Shaner S2 is $139+ shipping, Jantzers Powder Coated version is the same price, so our price is right in the market.
Bret Bauer
<strong>Hmmmm, $110 plus S/H to have you guys do it, or 30 minutes, and $10 for the owner to do it. Those prices are a bit high dont you think? How much Heat does the powdercoat retain on the TB?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well if you read closely it's $110 including shipping. And now we are doing a group buy that gives you $10 more off. Trust me we have the process of porting these down to as fast as they can go and it takes longer than 30 mins. It takes about 30 mins just to do all the machine work.
Yeah, you can pull it off your truck and hog it out with a dremel, it might not work right and is not very precise. Doing this the right way is worth the $100. We make sure that the throttle plate to bore seal is perfect, you can't do that with a dremel.
As for the powder coat, you can have that done or not done. Honestly since the air is in the throttle body for such a short period of time it's not going to cost you anything. That's an option for people who want the throttle body to look good, I do just as many non coated ones as I do coated ones.
Hey, it's your opinion. Your entitled to it. I was one of those people who wouldn't pay to have it done that's why I started doing these. Once you figure how to do it the right way, doing it for someone else is just a service that I provide.
Think about this, for $110 you make sure you get one that works. If you screw yours up then, your SOL. If we do it and it doens't work then we have to make sure it does for you. I realize that and have never had any customer problems.
For what we give you a $110 is the lowest price on the market. The Shaner S2 is $139+ shipping, Jantzers Powder Coated version is the same price, so our price is right in the market.
Bret Bauer
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by CashDudeHomie:
<strong>The reason we grind the bumpstop is so the blade opens 90 degrees, not just to get 4.70 volts of Throttle position sensor...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do the adjustable throttle stop so you can get both the volts you want and the 90 deg throttle position.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Maxmumboom:
<strong>Everyone has opinions. I think it is a noble service that you provide for someone who cant do it. For anyone else, if you have the knowledge tools and time, do it yourself. $I think $110 is still alot. Stroker, please understand im not trying to bash you in any way, i am just stating my opinion.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Belive me I don't take it the wrong way. Having the time, we most all do. Having the knowlede, well that can be obtained with some thought and work. Having the tools? Well most people don't have access to a mill, so the machinging that we do it almost out of the question for most people. If there was a higher demand for this and I could run 30 at a time I would just CNC machine a whole batch at a time. The volume is just not high enough though.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan23silverado:
<strong>Damnit! my blade almost cuts me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> You guys sell butterflys seperate so I can make a rounded one? I was going off tips to make a Quadrajet flow more and they said knifedge em.
Yeah, butterfly seal is extremely important (the little hole makes it idle 500 rpm's- get a space around the butterfly and you will see a bad 600 rpm idle)I held mine up to the sun and set the screws when I couldn't see any light coming past the butterfly seal to the TB housing.
Just shave the shaft down (it'll prob be another 30cfm's) Oh yeah if I remember correctly, the shaft is flat on top. At least make it "rounded" for better airflow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I should give you my throttle body and see who outflows who though.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ryan, Hell if you and your TB were not in AZ then I would be all over this! The forward edge of anything needs to be round for the air, the problems that you also need to look at are part throttle positioning. That is where certain things come into play even more. If I had a spare blade sitting around I would sent it to you. I have been thinking about what I want to try out, I might just do a smaller or cut shaft out on the flow bench and see if it's worht while. Our adjustable throttle stop mod is one of those new ideas that I like to upgrade the throttle body with. I have a few other ideas, things alot like the tricks you do to a carb but time, flow bench and dyno will tell if they are going to work.
The flow gain comes more from the shape of the curve and the filled in area then the throttle plate and shaft.
BTW the throttle shaft is made out of round stock, they just plunge it with a saw to cut the hole in it that the blade goes thru.
Hey, this a good thread. It wouldn't even have to be about my throttle bodies and I would like it.
Bret
P.S. Hopefully I can get some pics of the adjustable throttle stop up.
<small>[ September 05, 2002, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: SStrokerAce ]</small>
<strong>The reason we grind the bumpstop is so the blade opens 90 degrees, not just to get 4.70 volts of Throttle position sensor...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do the adjustable throttle stop so you can get both the volts you want and the 90 deg throttle position.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Maxmumboom:
<strong>Everyone has opinions. I think it is a noble service that you provide for someone who cant do it. For anyone else, if you have the knowledge tools and time, do it yourself. $I think $110 is still alot. Stroker, please understand im not trying to bash you in any way, i am just stating my opinion.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Belive me I don't take it the wrong way. Having the time, we most all do. Having the knowlede, well that can be obtained with some thought and work. Having the tools? Well most people don't have access to a mill, so the machinging that we do it almost out of the question for most people. If there was a higher demand for this and I could run 30 at a time I would just CNC machine a whole batch at a time. The volume is just not high enough though.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan23silverado:
<strong>Damnit! my blade almost cuts me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> You guys sell butterflys seperate so I can make a rounded one? I was going off tips to make a Quadrajet flow more and they said knifedge em.
Yeah, butterfly seal is extremely important (the little hole makes it idle 500 rpm's- get a space around the butterfly and you will see a bad 600 rpm idle)I held mine up to the sun and set the screws when I couldn't see any light coming past the butterfly seal to the TB housing.
Just shave the shaft down (it'll prob be another 30cfm's) Oh yeah if I remember correctly, the shaft is flat on top. At least make it "rounded" for better airflow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I should give you my throttle body and see who outflows who though.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ryan, Hell if you and your TB were not in AZ then I would be all over this! The forward edge of anything needs to be round for the air, the problems that you also need to look at are part throttle positioning. That is where certain things come into play even more. If I had a spare blade sitting around I would sent it to you. I have been thinking about what I want to try out, I might just do a smaller or cut shaft out on the flow bench and see if it's worht while. Our adjustable throttle stop mod is one of those new ideas that I like to upgrade the throttle body with. I have a few other ideas, things alot like the tricks you do to a carb but time, flow bench and dyno will tell if they are going to work.
The flow gain comes more from the shape of the curve and the filled in area then the throttle plate and shaft.
BTW the throttle shaft is made out of round stock, they just plunge it with a saw to cut the hole in it that the blade goes thru.
Hey, this a good thread. It wouldn't even have to be about my throttle bodies and I would like it.
Bret
P.S. Hopefully I can get some pics of the adjustable throttle stop up.
<small>[ September 05, 2002, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: SStrokerAce ]</small>
09-05-2002, 02:44 AM
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Yeah I would like to see a pic. Too bad I have already done the grind to mine. I might be interested in the throttle shaft mod though. What exactly do you do to port and polish???