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Old 03-23-2005 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BigTex
Intake duration= (-8.1) + 180 + 33.1 = 205*

Exhaust duration= 42.8 + 180 + (-10.4) = 212.4*
this is what I used

http://hometown.aol.com/ffastcbr/caminfo.htm
Old 03-23-2005 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Naked AV
Lobe Separation = 114 cam deg
Valve Overlap = -18.6 crank deg

INTAKE
valve open = -8.1 BTDC
centerline = 110 ATDC
valve close = 33.1 ABDC
duration = 205 crank deg
lobe lift = .32236 in.
valve lift = .54802 in.
lobe area = 23.19 in * deg

EXHAUST
valve open = 42.8 BBDC
centerline = 118 BTDC
valve close = -10.4 ATDC
duration = 212.4 crank deg
lobe lift = .31728 in.
valve lift = .53938 in.
lobe area = 23.64 in * deg
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It seems to be confused by the terminology used:
so valve open = -8.1 BTDC ; really means 8.1 ATDC

and valve close = -10.4 ATDC ; really means 10.4 BTDC

Then your formulas will work if you enter these figures in as negative numbers.

Overlap: -18.50 degrees
Intake Duration: 205.00 degrees
Exhaust Duration: 212.40 degrees
Intake Installed Centerline of 110.60 degrees ATDC.
Exhaust Installed Centerline of 116.60 degrees BTDC.

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Here's what my cam card says,gross lift .588/.598,duration @.006 277/283,valve timing @.050 Int:3 BTDC 45 ABDC Exh:56 BBDC 2- ATDC@111.0 intake center line,duration@.050 int:228 exh:234,lobe lift .3460/.3520,lobe separation 115.0
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Originally Posted by whitt1
Here's what my cam card says:
Int:3 BTDC Exh:2- ATDC
-2 ATDC is the same as +2 BTDC. So Intake opens at 3* before TDC and exhaust closes at 2* BTDC. Thats 1* of overlap at .050 lift.

On a big cube motor, I cant say what size cam I'd use with a blower. I do know that Dennis (427 LS1) swapped in several cams in his truck last year. It had a 427 with a radix. I remember him saying he thought the 224 duration cam he had felt stronger than the larger ones he used. But that may be because the radix is undersized for that combo, so the cmaller cam created more dynamic compression and kept rpms down.
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Originally Posted by Mort
Grippy

It seems to be confused by the terminology used:
so valve open = -8.1 BTDC ; really means 8.1 ATDC

and valve close = -10.4 ATDC ; really means 10.4 BTDC

Then your formulas will work if you enter these figures in as negative numbers.

Overlap: -18.50 degrees
Intake Duration: 205.00 degrees
Exhaust Duration: 212.40 degrees
Intake Installed Centerline of 110.60 degrees ATDC.
Exhaust Installed Centerline of 116.60 degrees BTDC.

I entered in the values just as you said, came out the same 18.5 degrees overlap.

Am I missing something? check out the calculator I'm using


http://hometown.aol.com/ffastcbr/caminfo.htm
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Grip use this

http://users3.ev1.net/~black_ops/cam...calculator.xls
Old 03-23-2005 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SportSide 5.3
can't, don't have excel.

are you showing something different? This Calculator I've been using has been accurate so far.

why would you figure overlap at .050?

isn't the correct way at .006?
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Ah. Your's sorta works backwards where you need the ve's to find the duration and timing.


Go to proracingsim.com

Download the demo.

You can do some easier figuring. Most of the time your going to see X camshaft and wonder what the valve events are.
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Overlap: -18.50 degrees
Intake Duration: 205.00 degrees
Exhaust Duration: 212.40 degrees
Intake Installed Centerline of 110.60 degrees ATDC.
Exhaust Installed Centerline of 116.60 degrees BTDC.

That's what I get using your calculator and filling it in w/ Nakid's camshaft. Make sure if you have a negative IVO or EVC for .05, to type it in negative.
Old 03-23-2005 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by moregrip
I entered in the values just as you said, came out the same 18.5 degrees overlap.

Am I missing something? check out the calculator I'm using


http://hometown.aol.com/ffastcbr/caminfo.htm
Yup the overlap is still -18.5 degrees but the Intake Duration, Exhaust Duration and Intake and Exhaust Installed Centerlines are not correct unless you enter the IVO and EVC as negative numbers for Nakid's cam profile.


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