gator's 99TA

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yes in my last reply under the EDIT i explained about the term "pulley" in the L world. when we say "2 lbs pulley" - it certainly means 2 psi OVER the stock 8 psi. i can understand why people thought i was cockey when i said an L with a 2 lbs pulley can beat a radix equiped truck at 10 psi. i never meant to say that.

as for how much power is added through 1 psi, that is hard to explain as psi is a measure of resistence, not total airflow like CFM. but saying that, again if you look to my reply at 8 psi, the stock L makes around 350-355 rwhp on a dynoject in average air (not hot). with a 6 lbs pulley (adding a total of 6 extra to make 14 psi total) guys are only making 400-410 rwhp (over 500 rwtq) since this is way way out of the efficiency range. the real gain is real world street track time as the tq and hp comes in earlier and you have more usable power earlier, but when you get towards the peak, the heat of the Eaton blower is pushing hot air at that blower rpm.

the max psi on a stock motor is really 15 psi if you want to beat on it like i do as a daily driver. the weak point is the rods. put in a better forged rod and you can really push the boost with a KB or a Works blower easily over 25 psi +

O3GMC

I found this out first hand, behind the wheel, 2 Decembers ago, with 12psi and a 50 shot.

retsell

It's a lot easier to take a lightning and swap pulleys, add a pump, and reprogram the computer.

Taking a truck that runs high 13's stock according to you, and putting it into the 12's is boring. You can do that with less than a grand and a couple hours time.

I took my truck from a 16.3 stock, to a 14.3 so far. That to me is pretty impressive. I did not have the luxury of having a factory blown motor.

You also cannot rag on the LSx motor. I hear of lightnings and cobras dieing quite often (hence the reason the zone rep goes out to every broken motor to inspect for mods)

It costs money to play games. I was just contradicting your original statement, but it seems as though it was all a bunch of misunderstanding. I typically think if someone says "a 2 lb. pulley" they mean a 2 lb pulley, not a 10 lb pulley.

Why compare the 10 lb radix on an ECSB to a 10lb L? Wouldn't it be more fair to compare the regular cab to the L? If so, I would say the race could depend entirely on the driver. But, with our higher compression, I think we would be making more power.

Would be a good race.

gator's 99TA

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i only compared a 10 psi radix ECSB to my type of truck because YOU run 9-10 psi and on the first page (at 12:33am) you said you whip up on Ls all day.

where did i rag on LSx motors? i guess you didnt read the reply on this page where i simply said i stay informed about both platforms better than the average joe on a ford or GM site and am ready to admit the faults of both camps. this site (like most of the ford sites) cant do this. they are too full of brand blindness.

as for what platform is "easier" or more "boring" to make run faster, i dont care. i dont see it as being not as worthy. we dont rag on LS1 TA or Camaros because they are light and designed to rip up the corners and the drag strip. it is truely run what you brung IMO and you dont see L owners bitching about not being able to haul, tow, carry kids, or work in tough conditions. it is a niche vehicle. we bought it for a reason just like your platform and enjoy it plenty. but i dont buy into any reason why going from low 16 to low 14s is any worthier than taking an L and pushing it into the 11s. BTW - Ls dont need any pumps added to the fuel system. we have dual intank fuel pumps factory and 42 lbs injectors - good for over 500/600 at the motor.

as for breaking SVT motors - sounds like hearsay. bad tunes and idiot owners will break anything - just like this site.

one03sierra

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ok now quit talking about blowers. you are going to make me want one all over again.

FirstGen

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Another factor to compare is the base price of these vehicles... Base price of a RCSB LSX compared to a L. Your gonna have over 10 grand left over to play with your Chevy and for that money you can really get some stuff done.

BlownChevy

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Let get back on topic here!!

retsell

here:

I am just saying that you are saying we cannot compare to the L, but several people are making big numbers on stock motors. Some guys over 500 to the wheels. Parish has made big numbers, and his only problem has been head gaskets. (as far as internals go) You can rag on our tranny's but not the engines.

You said this in a previous post:
It's funny how I was agreeing with you and then you make the above comment. It seems like you just want to argue for no reason. 12's are boring to you guys (you said it) because it is only 1 second off the et (going by your 13.9.) Well, going by most of the regular cab trucks here running high 14's, 13's are pretty boring here (knocking 1 second off the ET). 12's are a little more exciting here because people put a lot of effort into getting our trucks there. You started with a blown platform, and that does make it easier for you, you cannot argue that. I am not saying it's a bad thing, that's cool, that's what you wanted. I wanted to be able to take my worktruck out on the weekends and have fun with it (hence the toolbox in the back.)

I was just going off what a customer/old high school buddy of mine (L owner) said. He blew his motor because it leaned out. He had a diablo programmer on it, and a pulley. He said a fuel pump went out. I guess he meant one of the factory ones. He took everything off to attempt a warranty claim, but the moron that owned it before him had a predator chip in it (I could have the programmer's mixed up though)

There is an 03 cobra in a shop around here all torn down. They said it broke a rod running 15 lbs of boost. I don't know what they run stock. I am just saying I've seen just as many broken fords as chevy's and I am around a lot more f-bodys. When you race, you break things, no matter what you are driving. It doesn't make them ****.

Don't think you have the ultimate "god" truck with a perfect engine, tranny, and whatever else. You guys have your problems, we have ours. Who gives a **** about the rest...

retsell

You can say that about anything. Let's not go there.

You can buy a vega and put a crazy small block in it for under 5k and it will kick all of our asses. That leaves a lot of money to be played with too.

FirstGen

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when you can pull a trailer with a vega when can compare those two.