Electric crate motor designed to fit small block chevy.
10-08-2020, 11:18 AM
#61
You are completely exaggerating on the extra costs. That may have been what it was 10 years ago, but those prices have fallen drastically in the last 5 years.
Tesla just secured 100K acres to try to mine their own lithium in Nevada. Tesla may soon be able to drastically cut costs down on batteries.
This entire design was there for someone to drop right in. I would fully expect anyone who can drop this in can figure out the batteries. Its really not that difficult.
Why wouldn't this be street legal?
You really think a guy that can bolt down something automatically understands high voltage systems, knowing when and why to run series or parallel circuits, tuning an electric motor, installing CAN networks, understanding amperage draw and wiring requirements to support that amperage? You think the charger and or solar is free?
As far as the legal side, In most states the only way you could get away with this is if it the vehicle was over 25 years old and could be extensively modified. As of now when an inspector pops the hood they look for any modifications and fail it if they find any.
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10-08-2020, 01:19 PM
#62
I'd rather buy a wack looking Cyber Truck than dump 30k plus into a roller worth 10k and the time I already don't have. Even if it cost half of that it still isn't worth it IMO. Conversions are just to dang spensive. No way insurance is going to pick up the tab in a worse case scenario.
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10-08-2020, 05:31 PM
#63
So the COPO electric camaro likely uses a similar or the same motor as this, except is says it's around 600 ft lbs if I read it right.
It uses a 800 volt battery, in the article it says that's more than two Chevy volt batteries. I looked up the price of a Volt battery, they're nearly 7k each. You would need two in series it looks like. So around 15k for batteries alone?
..... just a point of reference here on costs.
Tell me again how I'm "completely exaggerating"
It uses a 800 volt battery, in the article it says that's more than two Chevy volt batteries. I looked up the price of a Volt battery, they're nearly 7k each. You would need two in series it looks like. So around 15k for batteries alone?
..... just a point of reference here on costs.
Tell me again how I'm "completely exaggerating"
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10-08-2020, 05:39 PM
#64
TECH Junkie
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/m...make/chevrolet
$12,000 and bolts in and drops way more panties.
$12,000 and bolts in and drops way more panties.
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10-08-2020, 05:41 PM
#65
TECH Junkie
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10-08-2020, 07:27 PM
#66
What else would I talk about? My college roommates girlfriend? I mean, she was hot but kinda dumb
if you read my post where I said I didn't know the torque: then you would have grasped the idea that no I'm not going to try to tell you it "makes an electric like torque curve"
if you read read my post where the only defense electrifiers have is 0-60 and the instant torque, then you'd realize how repeat parrot you sound and how I called out how this conversation was gonna go 😂
I am not insecure at all, thanks for trying to blame us for your problem. Dunning-Kruger up in here thinks he has electric all figured out and we are all the dumbasses for not "seeing how simple it is"
I have a badass truck that is configured exactly how I need it and I built the whole gotdam thing for less than an electric power plant. Guess that makes me #insecure
if you read my post where I said I didn't know the torque: then you would have grasped the idea that no I'm not going to try to tell you it "makes an electric like torque curve"
if you read read my post where the only defense electrifiers have is 0-60 and the instant torque, then you'd realize how repeat parrot you sound and how I called out how this conversation was gonna go 😂
I am not insecure at all, thanks for trying to blame us for your problem. Dunning-Kruger up in here thinks he has electric all figured out and we are all the dumbasses for not "seeing how simple it is"
I have a badass truck that is configured exactly how I need it and I built the whole gotdam thing for less than an electric power plant. Guess that makes me #insecure
The fact that you can't shut up about your self, and just have a simple conversation about what it would take to make this work, does. That its not even possible for you to think outside of your own bubble, and you just try to condemn me for trying to discuss how this would work in the best case scenario, does.
Opinion vs. opinion. Once anywhere sees a significant increase in freeloaders charging up on the company dime, costing them real money, the freebies will end. Whether you think IKEA or any other entity is altruistic and just loves the planet, when it comes down to it, expenses are expenses...and electricity is expensive. Simplistically, as demand rises, so does cost, unless there is a massive surplus. Well there's no massive surplus of electrical generating capacity, and building more capacity costs megabucks. Prove me wrong.
Richard
Richard
Even if we go with not doing it for free. Here's the first website I pulled up.
https://evcharging.enelx.com/news/bl...arging-pricing
EV charge rates are .08 - .19 per KWH, with an average of .11 per KWH. So for that 300 mile range on the tesla S with a 100KWH bank, if you have to pay for it, its $8 - $19. Compared to gasoline getting 400 miles a tank thats $11 - $25; or I'll use $2.55 a gallon, and say 20mpg a gallon, (400 miles / 20mpg = ) 20 gallons, (x $2.55 = ) $51.00. So for every tank you are saving $26 - $40. 15,000 miles a year is (15,000 / 400 = ) 37.5 tanks a year. 37.5 x $26-$40 =
$975 - $1500 a year in fuel savings even if you are paying every time. (That's even with me using what I think are much better numbers then this particular engine would get in fuel form). That will add up, and it really does depend on what the lifespan and maintenance costs are.
I’m pretty sure this dude can’t even read his own posts. I’m gonna make a point about how you can’t hear an EV so you can come and go as you please, for “birthday gifts”, without waking people up. I honestly don’t care what your point was, the fact that you used that type of scenario killed whatever point you were trying to make.
I’ll leave you with this... if this is gonna be so cost effective, why haven’t you done it yet? Go ahead and drop it in your **** box and let us know how it only cost you 12k. And then when it doesn’t work because you don’t have batteries and drop another 25k. And then when it only can go 100 miles and you have to charge it at the grocery store because you can’t afford the electricity at your own home because you’re paying the extra loan you took out to drop it in your **** box and you realize this didn’t save any money and wish you still had that little 4.8 sitting in the engine bay. But hey... you can still leave without your wife knowing to get her last minute gifts.
I’ll leave you with this... if this is gonna be so cost effective, why haven’t you done it yet? Go ahead and drop it in your **** box and let us know how it only cost you 12k. And then when it doesn’t work because you don’t have batteries and drop another 25k. And then when it only can go 100 miles and you have to charge it at the grocery store because you can’t afford the electricity at your own home because you’re paying the extra loan you took out to drop it in your **** box and you realize this didn’t save any money and wish you still had that little 4.8 sitting in the engine bay. But hey... you can still leave without your wife knowing to get her last minute gifts.
So you think its not cost effective, because I personally haven't dropped $30K+ on a product that has not yet been made available to the public?
Correct the costs then. Tell me how much it will cost for controllers, how much it will cost to integrate those controllers with existing controllers in a vehicle. Tell me how much it will cost for all the wiring, the batteries and to fab a battery mount and integrate it into the vehicle so that it is a seamless part of the vehicle.
You really think a guy that can bolt down something automatically understands high voltage systems, knowing when and why to run series or parallel circuits, tuning an electric motor, installing CAN networks, understanding amperage draw and wiring requirements to support that amperage? You think the charger and or solar is free?
As far as the legal side, In most states the only way you could get away with this is if it the vehicle was over 25 years old and could be extensively modified. As of now when an inspector pops the hood they look for any modifications and fail it if they find any.
You really think a guy that can bolt down something automatically understands high voltage systems, knowing when and why to run series or parallel circuits, tuning an electric motor, installing CAN networks, understanding amperage draw and wiring requirements to support that amperage? You think the charger and or solar is free?
As far as the legal side, In most states the only way you could get away with this is if it the vehicle was over 25 years old and could be extensively modified. As of now when an inspector pops the hood they look for any modifications and fail it if they find any.
So the COPO electric camaro likely uses a similar or the same motor as this, except is says it's around 600 ft lbs if I read it right.
It uses a 800 volt battery, in the article it says that's more than two Chevy volt batteries. I looked up the price of a Volt battery, they're nearly 7k each. You would need two in series it looks like. So around 15k for batteries alone?
..... just a point of reference here on costs.
Tell me again how I'm "completely exaggerating"
It uses a 800 volt battery, in the article it says that's more than two Chevy volt batteries. I looked up the price of a Volt battery, they're nearly 7k each. You would need two in series it looks like. So around 15k for batteries alone?
..... just a point of reference here on costs.
Tell me again how I'm "completely exaggerating"
A quick search tells me 10 years ago the batteries were about $1k per KWH. The new tesla is $190 per KWH. This website says expect $73 per KWH by 2030.
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/ev-...206%20years%21
With teslas new land access acquisition in Nevada, that may get them much cheaper. There may be other companies that are able to produce batteries cheaper. Not sure if those batteries are even available to the public. $19,000 for a 100KWH battery is definitely a lot, but when you factor in what this engine is capable of, and what the actual fuel costs of THIS engine would be. That this comparable gasoline engine would cost at least twice as much in fuel as the average engine, now its $2-$3K a year in savings for 15K miles a year.
If you say a 533hp engine 800ft lb of torque engine gets 10mpg average, and you use 91/93 at roughly a cost of $3 per gallon, it costs you $30K in gas to drive 100K miles. At 11 cents per KWH, you pay $11 to get 300 miles in a I'm just gonna go with 4500 lb vehicle. I'll just continue with that and to go 100K miles you are at 333.33 charges. (x $11 = ) $3,666.66. There's your offsetting cost in this.
There are a lot of factors here that really need to align for this to work, but its not unrealistic. Do you plan on keeping it long term, how much work can you do yourself, what vehicle will it go into, and what's the use, and quite a few more. Whoever this works for, is going to factor in more than just money, but the money numbers can be made to work in favor of this.
To throw out a possibility, tax credits might be able to offset some or a major portion of this.
10-08-2020, 07:48 PM
#67
I'll just keep filling up MY TAHOE 😂😂. Not caring about waiting 6.5 DAYS to go another 200 miles. Do you even hear yourself? "Oh I can fill up for free"
yeah, but I value my time at $20/hr. By your estimate I'd be burning $1500 of time to charge up for "free"
you act like everything I said and demonstrated was fake and made up, when In fact my truck really is that awesome. Pics and dynos and videos to prove it. #notfakenews
would you like to talk about MY CORVETTE instead? And how with a turbo 408 and a trans regear I plan to do half mile events with it? Or how there isn't an electric car that can beat a gas car in a half mile? Show me that OEM produced 200mph electric car for $100k and I'll show you a 200mph gas car for $60k OEM, no mods allowed 😉
I can move this goal post alllllll day. At this point I'm enjoying it
what other 1%, outside the curve scenario you got? Im bored
yeah, but I value my time at $20/hr. By your estimate I'd be burning $1500 of time to charge up for "free"
you act like everything I said and demonstrated was fake and made up, when In fact my truck really is that awesome. Pics and dynos and videos to prove it. #notfakenews
would you like to talk about MY CORVETTE instead? And how with a turbo 408 and a trans regear I plan to do half mile events with it? Or how there isn't an electric car that can beat a gas car in a half mile? Show me that OEM produced 200mph electric car for $100k and I'll show you a 200mph gas car for $60k OEM, no mods allowed 😉
I can move this goal post alllllll day. At this point I'm enjoying it
what other 1%, outside the curve scenario you got? Im bored
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10-08-2020, 08:05 PM
#68
Compelling argument/ data about the $11 per 300mi (charge time not withstanding)
some holes to poke:
1) battery wont last you 100k, not without major cooling and heating development. Something I wager the average swapper won't have R&D funding to do. Based on my experience with heavy cycling of 18650 cells, ~2000hrs is what you can expect before cell failure. Miles driven in 2000hrs depends on speed, yes. However... MY TAHOE 😂😂 has 4519hrs on it with 194,710. MY TAHOE has this cool feature, called an hour meter. Press and hold the odo button and it will give you hrs. Nifty. Just like the rest of MY TAHOE.
1A) anyway, it wil be close, but you won't get 300mi for every $11 is my point
2) you'd be spending 50k on a drivetrain at that point, and still be lacking install hardware and control
3) add in the cost of your panels, install and retrofit with a power conditioner
4) should we touch on the drivetrain needs, or for the sake of this thread assume you have a vehicle with an 11.5" ring gear to handle that 811lbs of torque you're so proud of?
some holes to poke:
1) battery wont last you 100k, not without major cooling and heating development. Something I wager the average swapper won't have R&D funding to do. Based on my experience with heavy cycling of 18650 cells, ~2000hrs is what you can expect before cell failure. Miles driven in 2000hrs depends on speed, yes. However... MY TAHOE 😂😂 has 4519hrs on it with 194,710. MY TAHOE has this cool feature, called an hour meter. Press and hold the odo button and it will give you hrs. Nifty. Just like the rest of MY TAHOE.
1A) anyway, it wil be close, but you won't get 300mi for every $11 is my point
2) you'd be spending 50k on a drivetrain at that point, and still be lacking install hardware and control
3) add in the cost of your panels, install and retrofit with a power conditioner
4) should we touch on the drivetrain needs, or for the sake of this thread assume you have a vehicle with an 11.5" ring gear to handle that 811lbs of torque you're so proud of?
10-09-2020, 02:53 AM
#69
TECH Resident
Literally nowhere did I say anything about revving my engine, albeit I do enjoy hearing the #baldeagles fly when I stomp the skinny pedal, I said started my truck from her balcony. With remote start. But speaking of children, both of my daughters LOVE the way my truck sounds. Clearly they have better taste than you.
Lol I only used you as scenario because clearly you get your #panties in a wad when anyone in this thread talks about someone that isn’t you and used their own real world experiences to equate why this drop in electric motor is is never gonna be cost effective.
Lol I only used you as scenario because clearly you get your #panties in a wad when anyone in this thread talks about someone that isn’t you and used their own real world experiences to equate why this drop in electric motor is is never gonna be cost effective.
