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Old 10-01-2008, 06:28 PM
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Probably smooth as glass.
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Giving this one a bump to see if there's any more theories or if someone knows for sure...I'm still thinking it's due to the broader torque curve that's associated with a wider LSA
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I'd wager it's for the smoother idle.

112lsa will give more torque under the curve.
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The wide LSA will flatten out the torque at the expense of the bottom and top output. The stock truck engine has a low static compression ratio, it needs some advance on those cams to bump up the low speed torque (115 +5), but that costs the top end. It depends if you are shooting for 300ft lbs from 2000-5000 or 350ft lbs at 3000 or 350ft lbs at 6000.
Old 10-08-2008, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
I wanna hear an idle clip of that thing
Best I can do without going and making another one.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...4wd_163032.htm
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wow sounds pretty factory... sleeper
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The factory LS7 cam is on a 121 LSA...
Old 10-09-2008, 08:32 AM
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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in. I believe this to be mostly designed around idle quality and low speed operation (towing, rock crawling, idling for long periods of time). Fact of the matter we can see who pisses longer all day long on here but moving a cam from a 112LSA to a 118LSA will move peak flywheel torque and hp at most 8 ft lbs and 5 HP. Unless this is an engine masters challenge, it's not worth going to the 112 LSA. I'd rather have the flatter, broader curve than the shorter, peakier curve. Other benefits of the wider LSA is more cylinder pressure, less intake port reversion (keeps intake temps down) and it's easier on motor mounts. For all the donkey dick cam lovers, that so called "Awesome Lope" you're all after is the engine back firing into your intake manifold. Wow, that's cool to have hot air fuel mix spit back into the intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by hirdlej
I'm going to throw my 2 cents in. I believe this to be mostly designed around idle quality and low speed operation (towing, rock crawling, idling for long periods of time). Fact of the matter we can see who pisses longer all day long on here but moving a cam from a 112LSA to a 118LSA will move peak flywheel torque and hp at most 8 ft lbs and 5 HP. Unless this is an engine masters challenge, it's not worth going to the 112 LSA. I'd rather have the flatter, broader curve than the shorter, peakier curve. Other benefits of the wider LSA is more cylinder pressure, less intake port reversion (keeps intake temps down) and it's easier on motor mounts. For all the donkey dick cam lovers, that so called "Awesome Lope" you're all after is the engine back firing into your intake manifold. Wow, that's cool to have hot air fuel mix spit back into the intake manifold.
Say we only want to rev our engine to 6000. 112 lsa is going to peak there and a 116lsa will peak let's say 6400. Since we only are revving to 6000, the 112 cam will have more power under the curve than the 116. It's true it will idle worse, have worse vacuum, and other disadvantages, but it makes more power. Regarding "donkey dick" cams, as you well know, I was a firm believer that smaller was better for cams and I would go with a 210/218 in a 6.0. However, now I've changed my opinion. Moderation is almost always best. Cams with duration in the 210s are small and ones in 230s and up are big. So something in the 220 range is moderate. Enter the TR224, well put as the "quintessential cam for the 346." It's often regarded as the greatest cam ever made for the LS1. So it would be even milder in the 6.0. The way I see it is that the low end with this cam is going to be no worse than stock. In fact, most say the low end is better, and the top end is hellacious.

Regarding your love for the BBC, I think it's time you get a diesel and quit complaining. The LSX engines simply do not make torque down low like a SBC, let alone a BBC. It is something in their inherent engineering that is beyond my knowledge. I will be the first to admit that the low end of the 6.0 really dissapointed me, and that was coming from a 4.8. Under 2000, it really isn't much different, which was surprising. Finally, regarding your switch to a 408 stroker or the likes, I wouldn't do it. There's one thread you may want to dig up, where the OP states that he felt the low end on his 408 was weak (coming from a 6.0 magnacharged I believe) "I thought 408's made monster torque?"

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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
Enter the TR224, well put as the "quintessential cam for the 346." It's often regarded as the greatest cam ever made for the LS1. So it would be even milder in the 6.0. The way I see it is that the low end with this cam is going to be no worse than stock. In fact, most say the low end is better, and the top end is hellacious.
Just a little note on the TR224...I contacted Thunder Racing a few years ago when I was putting together parts for my LQ9 build (which is now on hold due to lack of funds). I wanted to use that cam for my truck (rcsb 4x4), and they strongly recommended against it and told me that the low end torque would be disappointing in my "heavy" truck, even with my proposed 3k converter. They recommended the Comp 216/220, and said that at the most I should go with is their TR220 if I was hell-bent on something bigger. They also recommended a 114 LSA, but I can't remember their reasoning for that. A little food for thought.

(BTW, I'm planning on a 220/224 .551/.551 114 with a Yank TT3000 if I can ever afford to get this build off the ground, although I've changed my mind about the cam about 100 times so far lol)



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