Anyone that has installed the pat duals, how far onto the guide did the seal go? I know you are supposed to use the tool to insure correct depth....but I dont have one. The way the seal is shaped it looks like it should stop well before the bottom, see the pic below.

 

Go on Ebay and buy the tool... There not that much... Cant post a link cause of the rules but here is the Item number: 200463274709

The tool is also used to seat the seal properly with out causing damage to the seal. If you damage it it will leak .If its not seated enough it might pop off and cause a leak and possibly damage the valve stem.

 

you sir are waaaay too good at pictures, makes the lifter pedestal mounts and cover mounts look like ruff canyons... and obviously thats a compliment..
also i would think the seal should be at the bottom also, but only for sure way to check is after a full run of the valve train geometry and valve spring height..
arent the prc and patriot duals a one piece seat/seal like the oem, just thought they were a different height to clear the duals..

 

Well I know its down far enough to not contact the retainers because of my max cam lift, but I wasnt sure how far down it should really go. I know a lot of guys here run these springs so I was hoping one of them would comment on what theirs looked like when they installed them.

I thought the tools were around $25 or something, but that one for $10 is much more doable. I would hate to screw something like this up...

and thanks for the compliment, that was with my little point and shoot camera

 

I am pretty sure they are supposed to bottom out, But I have never installed them my self and I would not want to miss lead you.

 

get the tool richard....

i used that exact one for sale on ebay.....it does the job.

 

I bought it last night

 

They do not bottom out. It's not that difficult guys, you don't need the tool. Work in a quiet area when installing the seals. When driving them on there'll be a distinct change in the sound when you're tapping them on. It'll go from tink-tink-tink-thunk. It'll be obvious when the seal is bottomed out. That's all there is to it. I forget what socket size I used butyou want a socket big enough that it only contacts the metal part of the seal and not the spring or inner portion.

 

Calm down Joe... There's a first time for everything.

 

that was my second clue to they dont go all the way down; indeed there was a very distinct change in sound. 13-14mm is about right fwiw