SS baseline dyno numbers, stock
01-10-2004, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BigTex
Well, Harlan posted this:
You can convert MAF pounds/minute to grams/second by dividing by .132
SOOOOO.... 1 g/s = 1.3 FWHP. Convert to pounds/min is 1.3 / .132 or 9.84848~
So according to Harlan, multiply your MAF pounds by 9.84848 to get your FWHP.
Which is it John?
your method: My 44 pounds MAF would be 506 fwhp (too high) and at 20% loss, thats 405 RWHP. No way.
Harlan: My 44 pounds MAF would be 433 fwhp 346 rwhp at 20% loss. Much more realistic.
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Personally, I think that the 20% driveline loss is too high. Well, maybe not for the HEMI, which must have a 25%+ loss.
15% loss of 345 fwhp is 293 rwhp.
You can convert MAF pounds/minute to grams/second by dividing by .132
SOOOOO.... 1 g/s = 1.3 FWHP. Convert to pounds/min is 1.3 / .132 or 9.84848~
So according to Harlan, multiply your MAF pounds by 9.84848 to get your FWHP.
Which is it John?
your method: My 44 pounds MAF would be 506 fwhp (too high) and at 20% loss, thats 405 RWHP. No way.
Harlan: My 44 pounds MAF would be 433 fwhp 346 rwhp at 20% loss. Much more realistic.
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Personally, I think that the 20% driveline loss is too high. Well, maybe not for the HEMI, which must have a 25%+ loss.
15% loss of 345 fwhp is 293 rwhp.
Seriously, though. For forced induction you use ~10 and for N/A use somewhere between 11.2-11.5. It's somewhere on this site from way back.
I don't know what to say about your 44lb/min MAF reading. I've seen it in the logs but, I still don't understand it.
It shouldn't be that high.
01-10-2004, 11:49 PM
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That damn Harlan needs to be specific when posting stuff. I don't care if he lives in the turbo world or not. Crap.
I'm not going to complain. I'm just going to have to get it dynoed to see. If I start with 290 as a base and add up what each mod usually gives in rwhp (like 20hp w/ ASM headers), I can pretty quickly add up over 375 rwhp using realistic numbers. Who knows. Maybe 44 * 11 for 484 fwhp and 20% driveline loss for 387.
Need to remove the stock muffler to see what it can really do.
Originally Posted by XLR8NSS
I don't know what to say about your 44lb/min MAF reading. I've seen it in the logs but, I still don't understand it. It shouldn't be that high.
It shouldn't be that high.Need to remove the stock muffler to see what it can really do.
01-11-2004, 01:27 AM
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So that means my stock internals/ intake/exhaust/tuning 6.0 with a MAF reading of 37.2 lbs/min@5200rpm makes 427fwhp@5200rpm !!!! yeah baby !!!!....even assuming 23% for the driveline that's 328rrwhp !!! (I dyno'd 291 stock and NEVER believed it.....I figured it was a dyno glitch or operator error........I'm believing it more and more now.......)
01-11-2004, 07:51 AM
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i like the whole maf equasion thing BUT the thing to remember is these numbers if they are true are not SAE corected. i have seen a best of 34.3lb's but it was probably below 20deg at the time. correct that to 70deg or what ever the standard is and it would go down alot. i think anytime you are on a dyno they correct the numbers to standard for you.
01-11-2004, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Yelo
So that means my stock internals/ intake/exhaust/tuning 6.0 with a MAF reading of 37.2 lbs/min@5200rpm makes 427fwhp@5200rpm !!!! yeah baby !!!!....even assuming 23% for the driveline that's 328rrwhp !!! (I dyno'd 291 stock and NEVER believed it.....I figured it was a dyno glitch or operator error........I'm believing it more and more now.......)
why would 291 stock be so hard to believe??? Late model F-bodies are about the same with 5.7's.
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