Huge Loss in MPG after LS1 Cam
#1
Huge Loss in MPG after LS1 Cam
About 20 months ago I installed an LS1 (from 2000 Z28) cam and E-fans in my otherwise stock 5.3L. I did this because I had a collapsed lifter, and believed the LS1 cam may improve fuel economy. I swapped in LS7 lifters, shorter pushrods (measured correctly), LS2 timing set, ported the oil pump, and replaced all of the gaskets in the process. I also swapped in LS1 fans with a Nelson harness and had them switch on the fans in the ECU (although I have NEVER seen the low-speed fans on, not once). And then I made a DIY 4" intake using the stock airbox, some 4" aluminum tubing, and 90 degree elbow into the TB.
Before this, my truck got around 17-18 MPG, 75% highway. Now it's getting around 13-14 MPG, 75% highway, consistently. I get about 300 miles on a tank before I refill, and before got 400+ miles to a tank. It runs completely fine otherwise and seems to have a bit more pep in the top-end after the cam install. I'm not towing or hauling anything, and I have a very light foot, IMO. I cruise on the highway around 70 mph. Air filter is clean. Tires are always at 40psi, with around 20% tread left.
I use SeaFoam in the tank every now and then. I changed the plugs about 20k miles (~4.5 years) ago and the fuel filter. I also SeaFoam'ed the engine before the plug install.
Any thoughts? I would like to send the ECU back to Nelson for an economy tune in the near future. I care very little about power, I accept that this is a truck, not a sports car. Fuel economy is my #1 concern, looks #2.
Thanks!
Before this, my truck got around 17-18 MPG, 75% highway. Now it's getting around 13-14 MPG, 75% highway, consistently. I get about 300 miles on a tank before I refill, and before got 400+ miles to a tank. It runs completely fine otherwise and seems to have a bit more pep in the top-end after the cam install. I'm not towing or hauling anything, and I have a very light foot, IMO. I cruise on the highway around 70 mph. Air filter is clean. Tires are always at 40psi, with around 20% tread left.
I use SeaFoam in the tank every now and then. I changed the plugs about 20k miles (~4.5 years) ago and the fuel filter. I also SeaFoam'ed the engine before the plug install.
Any thoughts? I would like to send the ECU back to Nelson for an economy tune in the near future. I care very little about power, I accept that this is a truck, not a sports car. Fuel economy is my #1 concern, looks #2.
Thanks!
Last edited by Ferocity02; 12-19-2011 at 02:07 PM.
#3
LM7 Cam 190/191 .466/.457
Depending on what year your LS1 cam is
98-2000
202/210 .496/.496
2001+
197/208 .467/.479
Info from http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php
I'm running a bigger cam (and other mods) and my mileage went up from ~16 to nearly 20.
Last edited by dmelvin; 12-19-2011 at 02:24 PM.
#5
LS1 Cams, which did you install? As you can see there are a few different stock LS1 cams, and this is not all of them! Why did you install shorter pushrods? All use the exact same part# pushrod, even the LS6 uses the same part # pushrod as the LM7.
12554710 199/207 .479/.479 117 97-98 Corvette
12560965 198/209 .500/.500 119.5 98-99 Camaro & Firebird
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 116 01-03 Corvette
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 01-02 Camaro & Firebird
12554710 199/207 .479/.479 117 97-98 Corvette
12560965 198/209 .500/.500 119.5 98-99 Camaro & Firebird
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 116 01-03 Corvette
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 01-02 Camaro & Firebird
#6
LS1 Cams, which did you install? As you can see there are a few different stock LS1 cams, and this is not all of them! Why did you install shorter pushrods? All use the exact same part# pushrod, even the LS6 uses the same part # pushrod as the LM7.
12554710 199/207 .479/.479 117 97-98 Corvette
12560965 198/209 .500/.500 119.5 98-99 Camaro & Firebird
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 116 01-03 Corvette
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 01-02 Camaro & Firebird
12554710 199/207 .479/.479 117 97-98 Corvette
12560965 198/209 .500/.500 119.5 98-99 Camaro & Firebird
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 116 01-03 Corvette
12561721 196/207 .479/.467 01-02 Camaro & Firebird
I could be wrong, but I think Nelson only "tuned" the ECU to turn on the fans, I don't think they changed anything else.
Not sure if there is a vacuum leak in my intake tubing, it's sealed pretty darn well! I guess I could take it apart and put it back together, or put the stock intake back on. The MAF is de-screened I believe and I cleaned it at the same time as the cam install.
Truck has close to 100k miles.
#7
Stock LS7 cam is 210/230 .561/.558 120 LSA, with the LS7 pushrod length of 7.750....I think (just my way of thinking) the shorter pushrod may be costing you some power. I dont know, woke up at 3am this morning so who knows.
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#8
Right, but the LS1 cam has the same base circle has as the 5.3 cam (I hope). The LS7 lifters I used are 0.050" taller meaning I would need 0.050" shorter pushrods to achieve the same preload, assuming the head gasket thickness didn't change. I used an adjustable pushrod to measure and 7.350" pushrods came out perfect. I wish I remembered the preload I used
#9
The LS7 lifters are taller, and require shorter pr's on stock heads, they also have a lot of travel though too. I don't know enough about the LS7 on why they need that long of a PR.
#10
Get another and do not touch the screen.... What most tuners do to compensate for a missing MAF is multiply the MAF curve by 10% in order for it to work... 10% increase will cause a loss of MPG because it will be rich...