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Old 07-09-2011, 03:45 AM
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Straight from the manual. Enjoy :

E85 Flex Fuel Description

E85 compatible vehicles no longer use an alcohol sensor to determine and adjust for the alcohol content of the fuel in the tank. Instead, the vehicle calculates the alcohol content of the fuel through measured adjustments.

The ethanol calculation occurs with the engine running after a refueling event has been detected via a measured change in the fuel level sender output. The virtual flex fuel sensor (V-FFS) algorithm temporarily closes the canister purge valve for a few seconds and monitors information from the closed loop fuel trim system to calculate the ethanol content. This logic executes several times until the ethanol calculation is deemed to be stable. This may take several minutes under low fuel flow conditions such as idle, or a shorter time during higher fuel flow, off-idle conditions.

Air-fuel ratios and the corresponding ethanol percentage are updated following each purge-off sequence. The fuel alcohol content percentage value can be read on a scan tool.

When an E85 compatible vehicle is built, an ECM or PCM replaced, or if the learned alcohol content has been reset with a scan tool the fuel system will need to contain ASTM gasoline with 10 percent or less ethanol content.

A minimum of 11 liters (3 gallons) must be put in the tank in order for the vehicle to recognize a re-fueling event. It is not necessary to turn the ignition OFF in order to have the re-fueling event recognized, however local safety regulations should be followed.

After the re-fueling event, the system registers the amount of fuel that was added, relative to the amount that was in the tank. Reading fuel trim and O2 sensor activity, the system determines if the fuel added was either ASTM Gasoline or ASTM E85. Based on that determination, the system adjusts to the expected alcohol mix in the fuel tank, and then the fuel trim and O2 sensor activity fine tunes the adjustments. The system must remain in closed loop in order for this adjustment to occur. Numerous short trips after switching from gasoline to E85, or E85 to gasoline, can result in driveability symptoms due to the inability of the system to adjust for fuel composition by not attaining closed loop operation.
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Originally Posted by niugnep
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When an E85 compatible vehicle is built, an ECM or PCM replaced, or if the learned alcohol content has been reset with a scan tool the fuel system will need to contain ASTM gasoline with 10 percent or less ethanol content.
Interesting.....

So, if you have a reflash done in conjunction with any warranty repair or TSB at the dealer, but you have a tank of E85, I wonder what will happen?
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Thanks a million, niugnep - that really nails it. Answers all my questions and then some, and I did enjoy!
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skolman91 - you were sniffin' on the right trail too!

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Hmm pretty nifty stuff. It never ceases to amaze me how fast and how complex computer controlled engine management systems increase in power and application.

Kinda crazy really. What will we be driving in 20 years? Probably something that HPtuners wont stand a prayer with

Ahh hell who am I kidding? They're having a hard enough time with the stuff thats out there now
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I wonder what year they stopped using the sensor and went to the ECM method?
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Originally Posted by AKlowriderZ71
So, if you have a reflash done in conjunction with any warranty repair or TSB at the dealer, but you have a tank of E85, I wonder what will happen?
I have a feeling whoever tries that is going to look a lot like your avatar.

Note to self: fill it up with gas-o-line before flashing. Comes right after the one about putting pants on before shoes ....



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