Why Delete AFM ..... stock cam
#1
Why Delete AFM ..... stock cam
2010 5.3 CCSB 3.42 ....... Black Bear Tune and planing to install TVS 1900 with stock size pulley 5500 rpm redline .No plans for aftermarket cam ......DD and towing use
Tell me why I should delete the AFM or disable in lower gears or ??
Educate Me
I get it for high rpm /aftermarket cam but why if cam / redline remains stock ??
Tell me why I should delete the AFM or disable in lower gears or ??
Educate Me
I get it for high rpm /aftermarket cam but why if cam / redline remains stock ??
#2
2010 5.3 CCSB 3.42 ....... Black Bear Tune and planing to install TVS 1900 with stock size pulley 5500 rpm redline .No plans for aftermarket cam ......DD and towing use
Tell me why I should delete the AFM or disable in lower gears or ??
Educate Me
I get it for high rpm /aftermarket cam but why if cam / redline remains stock ??
Tell me why I should delete the AFM or disable in lower gears or ??
Educate Me
I get it for high rpm /aftermarket cam but why if cam / redline remains stock ??
#3
Besides being anoying or incompatible with an aftermarket cam most people delete it because of the reliability issues that the afm lifters have. In your case, if an AFM lifter fails the dealer may not warranty it once you have a supercharger and aftermarket tune for example. So the question becomes why keep it?
#5
Stock engines too unfortunatly. It seems GM hasn't worked all the kinks out yet and with your warranty void you would be at risk of a more costly repair later on. IMVHO a mild aftermarket or LS6 cam swap would realy copliment that TVS and improve reliability. Go ahead and swap out the timing chain tensioner for the old LS2 style while your at it too.
#6
Stock engines too unfortunatly. It seems GM hasn't worked all the kinks out yet and with your warranty void you would be at risk of a more costly repair later on. IMVHO a mild aftermarket or LS6 cam swap would realy copliment that TVS and improve reliability. Go ahead and swap out the timing chain tensioner for the old LS2 style while your at it too.
Thanks for that info ........... I understand that GM has released an improved / revised lifter for AFM engines ..... and the 2010's should have them ....any comments on those if thats true
#7
This is the most recent TSB and it mentions 2011 so.....
#10-06-01-007B: Active Fuel Management (AFM) Engine, Valve Lifter Tick Noise at Start Up When Engine Has Been Off for 2 Hours or More (Evaluate Noise and/or Replace Valve Lifters) - (Nov 17, 2010)
Subject: Active Fuel Management (AFM) Engine, Valve Lifter Tick Noise at Start Up When Engine Has Been Off for 2 Hours or More (Evaluate Noise and/or Replace Valve Lifters)
Models: 2007 Buick Rainier
2009 Buick LaCrosse Super, Allure Super (Canada Only)
2007 Cadillac Escalade
Built Prior to April 1, 2006 with 6.2L Engine RPO L92 (These engines were built with AFM Hardware but the AFM system was disabled)
2010-2011 Cadillac Escalade
2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
2007-2009 Chevrolet Impala
2007-2011 Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe, TrailBlazer
2010-2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2007-2011 GMC Envoy, Sierra, Yukon
2007-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix
2008-2009 Pontiac G8
2007-2009 Saab 9-7X
Equipped with AFM (Active Fuel Management) and V8 Engine RPO L76, L94, L99, LC9, LFA, LH6, LMG, LS4, LY5 or LZ1
Attention: This bulletin only applies to the AFM V8 engines listed above. It DOES NOT apply to Non-AFM Engines. If you are dealing with a Non-AFM engine that is experiencing a similar noise, please refer to Engine Mechanical > Diagnostic Information and Procedures > Symptoms in SI.
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This bulletin is being revised to add the 2011 model year. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 10-06-01-007A (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).
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Condition
Some customers may comment on an engine valve lifter tick noise that occurs after the engine has been shut off for at least two hours. The tick noise may last from two seconds to ten minutes.
Cause
This condition may be caused by any of the following:
• Aerated oil in the valve lifter body, resulting in the valve lifter being unable to purge the air quickly.
• A low engine oil level or incorrect oil viscosity.
• Dirty or contaminated oil.
• A low internal valve lifter oil reservoir level.
• Debris in the valve lifter.
• A high valve lifter leak down rate.
Correction
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate the cause of this valve lifter tick noise and normal oil pressure is noted during the concern, perform the following steps:
Inspect the engine oil condition and level. Refer to Owner Manual > Service and Appearance Care > Checking Things Under the Hood > Description and Operation > Engine Oil in SI.
⇒ If the engine oil is more than one quart low, an incorrect oil viscosity is being used or if poor quality/contamination is observed, change the oil and filter.
Note: Allow at least a two hour soak time between engine OFF and start up when evaluating the tick noise.
Start the engine and evaluate the valve lifter tick noise.
⇒ If the valve lifter tick noise is still present, replace all 16 valve lifters. Refer to Valve Lifter Replacement in SI.
Parts Information
Note: A V8 AFM engine requires 8 AFM lifters and 8 non-AFM lifters for a total of 16 lifters.
Part Number
Description
Qty
12576400
Non AFM Hydraulic Valve Lifter
8
12632143
AFM Hydraulic Valve Lifter
8
Subject: Active Fuel Management (AFM) Engine, Valve Lifter Tick Noise at Start Up When Engine Has Been Off for 2 Hours or More (Evaluate Noise and/or Replace Valve Lifters)
Models: 2007 Buick Rainier
2009 Buick LaCrosse Super, Allure Super (Canada Only)
2007 Cadillac Escalade
Built Prior to April 1, 2006 with 6.2L Engine RPO L92 (These engines were built with AFM Hardware but the AFM system was disabled)
2010-2011 Cadillac Escalade
2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
2007-2009 Chevrolet Impala
2007-2011 Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe, TrailBlazer
2010-2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS
2007-2011 GMC Envoy, Sierra, Yukon
2007-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix
2008-2009 Pontiac G8
2007-2009 Saab 9-7X
Equipped with AFM (Active Fuel Management) and V8 Engine RPO L76, L94, L99, LC9, LFA, LH6, LMG, LS4, LY5 or LZ1
Attention: This bulletin only applies to the AFM V8 engines listed above. It DOES NOT apply to Non-AFM Engines. If you are dealing with a Non-AFM engine that is experiencing a similar noise, please refer to Engine Mechanical > Diagnostic Information and Procedures > Symptoms in SI.
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This bulletin is being revised to add the 2011 model year. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 10-06-01-007A (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).
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Condition
Some customers may comment on an engine valve lifter tick noise that occurs after the engine has been shut off for at least two hours. The tick noise may last from two seconds to ten minutes.
Cause
This condition may be caused by any of the following:
• Aerated oil in the valve lifter body, resulting in the valve lifter being unable to purge the air quickly.
• A low engine oil level or incorrect oil viscosity.
• Dirty or contaminated oil.
• A low internal valve lifter oil reservoir level.
• Debris in the valve lifter.
• A high valve lifter leak down rate.
Correction
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate the cause of this valve lifter tick noise and normal oil pressure is noted during the concern, perform the following steps:
Inspect the engine oil condition and level. Refer to Owner Manual > Service and Appearance Care > Checking Things Under the Hood > Description and Operation > Engine Oil in SI.
⇒ If the engine oil is more than one quart low, an incorrect oil viscosity is being used or if poor quality/contamination is observed, change the oil and filter.
Note: Allow at least a two hour soak time between engine OFF and start up when evaluating the tick noise.
Start the engine and evaluate the valve lifter tick noise.
⇒ If the valve lifter tick noise is still present, replace all 16 valve lifters. Refer to Valve Lifter Replacement in SI.
Parts Information
Note: A V8 AFM engine requires 8 AFM lifters and 8 non-AFM lifters for a total of 16 lifters.
Part Number
Description
Qty
12576400
Non AFM Hydraulic Valve Lifter
8
12632143
AFM Hydraulic Valve Lifter
8
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#10
Working at the dealership thats the only kind of failure I do see. Get one or two a week some times and then may go a week or two with none. I'm not discounting your point but the OP has expressed his concern of reliability on several threads and with no warranty left and the harsh remote conditions he plans to use his truck in he may be better safe then sorry. Much respect, just MVHO.