434 sb vortec fuel injection
#11
Will the factory fuel system support a GM 383 and supercharger, I can live with that. My daily driver runs 13.7 with a 2.4 sixty foot weighing in at 6000 pounds, I want the tahoe to be close. Well at least fun to drive!!!!!
#12
I know it will with a 350 as they sold tons of Centrifugal kits for them. So the new 383's with the better heads and cam might be ok if you keep the RPM down a touch.
I know the new Rams uses added injectors to fuel the added boost, and I beleive the TBI Chevys were the same. Call around to get your answers before you go off and order to many parts. The Hi-Po TBI trucks have been known to use the 454 tbi, and now they have a Edelbrock Port fuel injection retro fit kit that should do wonders compared to a TBI.
I know the new Rams uses added injectors to fuel the added boost, and I beleive the TBI Chevys were the same. Call around to get your answers before you go off and order to many parts. The Hi-Po TBI trucks have been known to use the 454 tbi, and now they have a Edelbrock Port fuel injection retro fit kit that should do wonders compared to a TBI.
#13
#14
The highest naturally aspirated ported Vortec head/LT4 hotcam 383 dyno number using the stock injection was 330rwhp.
the stock intake uses 19 pph poppets which simply wont support more cubes AND a blower.
To do this properly you would need a marine intake or some other intake manifold that allows conventional and replaceable larger injectors.
Post #9 shows teh stock Vortec 305/350 intake and amrien intake side by side. It laso pictures the stock poppets and teh GM MPFI conversion spider that uses Multec 2 injectors. Unfortunatley the Multec 2's still flow 19 pph.
https://www.performancetrucks.net/fo...ghlight=marine
peace
Hog
#15
I would do a 383 and do this http://www.pacificp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7933
And use the LS1 Coil per Cylinder Conversion with the Gen III PCM.
HOG didn't you have input on these swaps?
And why couldn't you use some sensors or the reluctor wheel off the later models 4.3L. The new ones are 58x BTW. ANd use three coil packs.
And use the LS1 Coil per Cylinder Conversion with the Gen III PCM.
HOG didn't you have input on these swaps?
And why couldn't you use some sensors or the reluctor wheel off the later models 4.3L. The new ones are 58x BTW. ANd use three coil packs.
the newer 4.3 blocks are actually cast differently in the timing cover area to accept the 58x reluctor.
peace
Hog
#16
I checked out the marine intake and I shall be using one. What the deal with the crank trigger wheel, will i be able the use the 350 trigger wheel with the 434 bottom end if i use the whole 350 front timing cover?
#17
Very interesting build. I have a 99 2 door Tahoe and I wanted to do the exact same thing. I ran into a couple of questions and I just kind of let it go. I also realized that much power in that vehicle just wasn't necessary for me, overkill IMO. I originally wanted to do something like this:
http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article039/A-P1.htm
I wanted to use the vortec heads and port them to get back a little flow to make the HP more respectable but also keeping the TQ nice and fat! I found a article in CC about porting the heads they did a before and after and the results were great. It picked up 17 lb/ft of peak torque,[ 464 vs 481 @ 4,400 rpms] and carried a ton more at higher rpms vs. falling flat. Same thing with the HP too and it gained another 29 HP from peak to peak[436 @5,500 vs 464 @5,700]. The HP gains were 30-45 more at the rpms of 5,500 and above. So there is a good amount there to gain with a little work. (motor was a .060 over 350, 10:1, 750 cfm Demon, 230/235 lunati)
Isn't there an issue with the old 400 block and the cranks that they used and the reluctor wheel? I never understood exacly what the issue is. I guess now they have a new block and you can use it's crank to solve this problem. Again I don't know all of the little peices that go with it to make it work, but I'm sure it's possible. I read about it in here:
http://www.pacificp.com/forum/viewto...t=vortec+heads
Then I came across this engine and I think it would be a great compromise. Plus the crank/reluctor issue shouldn't be a problem, I think. Awesome torque curve on that thing. They make a two others with bigger cams that make more HP if you look at all his items. But you're just robbing from below 2500 RPMS and 95% of my driving is at or below this range. Then you get into fueling issues, tranny issues, rear dif and transfercase issues........ You're spending a lot of money that is going to make many more expensive issues down the road. Here is the motor:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350-C...5788QQtcZphoto
Then I got thinking if I'm already spending "X" amount for a motor, how much power will that buy. I found this engine builder. The motor is along the same lines of reliability and power. I haven't found a better deal around than this. Throw a carb on it and have a blast! But again all that power and many things are going to snap like twigs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/454-4...Q5fAccessories
In the end I decided that if my 350 ever does give out the best bang for the buck is to throw in a 3.8 crank. Find somebody to work the vortec heads to breathe better. Throw in a good cam and headders and be done. Put together right with a 230's cam you should easily be around 470-480 fwhp/fwtq. Which will more than max out the stock poppet injectors.
Sorry for the novel, but I love Vortec motors and will build one some day for my Tahoe. Good luck and please keep us posted!!!
http://airflowresearch.com/articles/article039/A-P1.htm
I wanted to use the vortec heads and port them to get back a little flow to make the HP more respectable but also keeping the TQ nice and fat! I found a article in CC about porting the heads they did a before and after and the results were great. It picked up 17 lb/ft of peak torque,[ 464 vs 481 @ 4,400 rpms] and carried a ton more at higher rpms vs. falling flat. Same thing with the HP too and it gained another 29 HP from peak to peak[436 @5,500 vs 464 @5,700]. The HP gains were 30-45 more at the rpms of 5,500 and above. So there is a good amount there to gain with a little work. (motor was a .060 over 350, 10:1, 750 cfm Demon, 230/235 lunati)
Isn't there an issue with the old 400 block and the cranks that they used and the reluctor wheel? I never understood exacly what the issue is. I guess now they have a new block and you can use it's crank to solve this problem. Again I don't know all of the little peices that go with it to make it work, but I'm sure it's possible. I read about it in here:
http://www.pacificp.com/forum/viewto...t=vortec+heads
Then I came across this engine and I think it would be a great compromise. Plus the crank/reluctor issue shouldn't be a problem, I think. Awesome torque curve on that thing. They make a two others with bigger cams that make more HP if you look at all his items. But you're just robbing from below 2500 RPMS and 95% of my driving is at or below this range. Then you get into fueling issues, tranny issues, rear dif and transfercase issues........ You're spending a lot of money that is going to make many more expensive issues down the road. Here is the motor:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350-C...5788QQtcZphoto
Then I got thinking if I'm already spending "X" amount for a motor, how much power will that buy. I found this engine builder. The motor is along the same lines of reliability and power. I haven't found a better deal around than this. Throw a carb on it and have a blast! But again all that power and many things are going to snap like twigs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/454-4...Q5fAccessories
In the end I decided that if my 350 ever does give out the best bang for the buck is to throw in a 3.8 crank. Find somebody to work the vortec heads to breathe better. Throw in a good cam and headders and be done. Put together right with a 230's cam you should easily be around 470-480 fwhp/fwtq. Which will more than max out the stock poppet injectors.
Sorry for the novel, but I love Vortec motors and will build one some day for my Tahoe. Good luck and please keep us posted!!!
Last edited by yurs78; 01-15-2009 at 12:41 PM.
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