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Old 12-15-2016 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeGyver
Check page 15 section 2.1
Saying I didn't see where you could run a 250 two stroke with the 250 four stroke in response to the claim by Blown 06.
Old 12-15-2016 | 06:20 PM
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Was dialing in the clutch tonight. 99% of builders don't do this and in all honestly isn't absolutely necessary unless you are trying to trouble shoot a clutch problem. I made a special tool so that I can test the clutch springs. I have some Barnett springs and Factory Suzuki springs so I got curious. Results are as follows:

New Factory Suzuki springs came in at about 40 lbs. at clutch lock up. So with 6 stockers, you'd get about 240 lbs. of clamp load on the clutch pack.

Barnett springs are showing about 46 lbs. at clutch lock up. So with 6 Barnetts, you'd get about 276 lbs. of clamp load on the clutch pack. So the Barnetts provide a nice 15% increase in clamp load, at the cost of a slightly stiffer lever pull.

One thing I did notice was that the stock springs are longer than the Barnetts. So the stockers provide a lower spring rate. I haven't run this by the owner yet, but if you wanted to, you could probably shim the stock springs up to get the 15% extra clamp load, but without the stiffer lever pull due to the decreased rate. Probably isn't a big deal, but I like data........

You could also alternate the springs and use 3 Barnetts and 3 stockers for a total clamp load of 258 lbs. which would provide a slight increase in clamp load by about 7.5%.

We will really have to just wait and see if this thing is going to be hard on clutches to figure out what the best combo is gonna be.
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Also, the owner of the bike was talking to the lead R&D guy at Bill's Pipes, Jeff (who is actually Bill's son) and they are gonna spec a pipe and silencer for us since we added a little displacement. Requested a pipe for mid and top performance. Braaaap Braaap!
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I highly doubt you would make enough power on a stock cylinder that you would overpower a stock clutch and cause slip.

If you want to use the heavier springs but dont want a stiffer clutch, just get an ez pull clutch lever....
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I mean since you're already going ***** out, find a way to make this work....

http://www.magura.com/media/2304/mag...015_en_web.pdf
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Originally Posted by Able2007
I mean since you're already going ***** out, find a way to make this work....

http://www.magura.com/media/2304/mag...015_en_web.pdf
https://rekluse.com/products/dirt-bike-products/ could even go this route....

I'm sure we could keep this up for a few more pages
Old 12-17-2016 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wretched73
I highly doubt you would make enough power on a stock cylinder that you would overpower a stock clutch and cause slip.

If you want to use the heavier springs but dont want a stiffer clutch, just get an ez pull clutch lever....
It's not that the clutch won't hold the power, but due to the nature of riding style required with a bike like this (basically you keep your right hand buried in the throttle and control power delivery with the clutch) this issue that I would be concerned with is longevity/dependability.

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I mean since you're already going ***** out, find a way to make this work....

http://www.magura.com/media/2304/mag...015_en_web.pdf
Originally Posted by wretched73
https://rekluse.com/products/dirt-bike-products/ could even go this route....

I'm sure we could keep this up for a few more pages
Seen the Rekluse stuff before (bad *** no doubt for monster power drag bikes). Never seen the other one before but it looks expensive and I'm sure the owner is on a budget. lol
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Some in progress bike pics. Things to note:

Aluminum Fuel Tank
Billet Front Caliper
My Own Custom Rear Suspension Linkage
…and just lots of specialized coatings and anodizing

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Old 12-17-2016 | 02:23 AM
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More random engine build pics:

Made in the USA bitch……BOOM!

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Secret squirrel **** red stuff

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What can I say, the owner likes close ups

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