Silverado SS, Joe Gibbs Editions, SSR Suspension | Wheels | Tires | Drivetrain |Engine | Body | News

Head\Cam swap

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-23-2010 | 04:24 PM
  #11  
Tootall's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (79)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,175
Likes: 1
From: League City, Tx
Default

if you're planning on swapping the chain out . . . the oil pan needs to be dropped . . . have fun with that.
Old 06-23-2010 | 04:44 PM
  #12  
bonj87's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 471
Likes: 1
Default

you have to remove the chain when you're doin the swap right?
Old 06-23-2010 | 05:03 PM
  #13  
GMCtrk's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,275
Likes: 17
From: Dallas
Default

A little advice for you.

Don't mess with a good thing. Re-use your stock timing chain. Use OEM MLS GM head gaskets. Don't touch your stock lifters. There's absolutely no need to change any of that stuff. All you're doing is increasing the likelihood of botching something up. And it saves you cash too. Win win.
Old 06-23-2010 | 06:11 PM
  #14  
Tootall's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (79)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,175
Likes: 1
From: League City, Tx
Default

Originally Posted by bonj87
you have to remove the chain when you're doin the swap right?
it comes off the timing gear, but it does not get "removed" It's just like the front sprocket on a bike
Originally Posted by GMCtrk
A little advice for you.

Don't mess with a good thing. Re-use your stock timing chain. Use OEM MLS GM head gaskets. Don't touch your stock lifters. There's absolutely no need to change any of that stuff. All you're doing is increasing the likelihood of botching something up. And it saves you cash too. Win win.
yep !
Old 06-23-2010 | 09:55 PM
  #15  
1Bear's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,410
Likes: 8
From: Jones Creek, Texas
Default

Originally Posted by bonj87
cuz they are better than the stock 317 heads that came stock on the SS.
compression should be about 10.9:1. stock the 317 heads are about 9:1 or something like that.
I believe you will be just fine installing the heads without milling them, maybe just a clean up cut if they need it. The machine shop can let you know when they are doing the valve job. Your new set up will basically be a iron LS2, so yes your compression ratio with the 64.5cc chambers should be about 10.9:1, where as your stock LQ9 had an advertised compression ratio of 10:1 with the 71cc 317's. It was the LQ4 that had a factory advertised 9.4:1 ratio.
Old 06-29-2010 | 09:57 PM
  #16  
shadowsniper3006's Avatar
Teching In
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Default

i would absolutely do the lifters and chain, i would also add in ls2 lifter guides or drill holes in your current guides to let oil drain better. Depending on how many miles you have your stock chain can stretch and throw the timing of the cam off, be it ever so little. I wouldn't worry about the gears as i would just the chain. An ls2 chain would be a good replacement, and you have to drop the oil pan to get access to the oil sump tube bolt to remove the oil pump when changing the chain. I learned a trick from one of the forums when doing this and it was just drop the oil pan, take the bolts 3/4 of the way out not out. Then lossen the bolt holding the sump tube to the oil pump, just loose not out. Then tie a piece of fishing line around the bolt in case you drop it when taking it out. You'll see it better when you do it, but trust me use the fishing line, it's good insurance. The chain only has to come out when replacing it, you can do the cam swap with the stock chain and not have to "remove it" the oil pump will keep it from coming off the truck.
The stock lifters are not ment for higher rpm, higher spring loads, and high performance and since the heads are off already it will be easy. Down the road, if you choose to add a higher lift cam you wont have to pull the heads to add better lifters. I've heard the ls7 lifters are good for most cams guys use. However i'm not sure how they are in high spring pressure trucks, like over 400 pounds open. i opted for the morel lifters due to their design for aggressive lobes and for higher spring rates but they are an expensive overkill for most guys.
Don't order 7.4 push rods, your lifter preload will be to high with a 65cc head. you may end up with a 7.350 or 7.375. Give or take i would think your preload would go up close to .030 with a 65 cc head. Although cheaper, i would not use the gm mls gaskets, i would opt for a cometic .040 gasket in 4.030 bore instead to get a tad more compression and pull more air through the runners.

with just stock ls6 heads not ported, i would expect around 400 rwhp with your mods and maybe around a 6300-6400 peak. Make sure your converter locks it will help. who is doing your tuning, having a person at the dyno to adjust will be a big help.

Last edited by shadowsniper3006; 06-29-2010 at 10:19 PM.
Old 06-29-2010 | 11:44 PM
  #17  
bonj87's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 471
Likes: 1
Default

thanks bud.. say... ya wanna come on down and help out ???
Old 06-30-2010 | 08:39 AM
  #18  
shadowsniper3006's Avatar
Teching In
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Default

depending on time, i could make it down there. you could make a small gtg of it if you really wanted to. you have an 03 so Joes HPT should work on your truck as well, provided he could bring it down. Do you work with Zippy for tuning?
Old 06-30-2010 | 08:42 AM
  #19  
bonj87's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 471
Likes: 1
Default

i was kinda planning on that.. in fact, allballz57 agreed to maybe have me over to his place to do the swap... but if i dont need any special tools, (that i do not already have), we could just do it at my place.. BBQ\Beer\entertainment is on me.. and Id cover your travel costs...even give ya a couch to crash on , if needed..
Old 06-30-2010 | 08:44 AM
  #20  
shadowsniper3006's Avatar
Teching In
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Default

Sound like a good time to me. Food, beer, horse power....what could go wrong.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:52 AM.