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Old 01-08-2007, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake Eater
I grew up designing and building competition boxes for Pro Sound. Sealed makes deep, ported makes punchy. You get lower HZ in sealed. Thats why most bass competitions you hardly ever see ported. There are exeptions to the rule though, like bandpass and such.
Really? I always heard the opposite. I designed and built my own box, but never done any competition design or anything. Everything I heard was that ported was louder and lower (depending on the port tuning frequency). All of the SPL competitions I have seen people build for have used ported boxes.
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SPL(sound pressure level). You get a greater increase in SPL with sealed. With a ported when the cone pushes out, the port suckes in. This lowers the SPL some and gives you more sound at lower pressure levels. Bandpass and such boxes only have ports to emit sound, so they give higher SPL and really deep bass.
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My BOSE home theater for example has a ported acoustimas that has almost no sound pressure level change, but puts out tons of bass. Minimal pressure change and max sound waves is what they use.
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*EDIT* I re-read your posts about deep vs punchy, and in that respect it seems like we are on the same page now. But....looking at these sites below, the consensus seems to be that for louder SPL-type bass you defintiely want ported, which is what I have always heard.

http://www.caraudiomag.com/technical...eakers_basics/
Stepping into the SPL lanes will cause most physicists to become confused. Immediately, they'll ask, "Where are all of the sealed enclosures?" You see, the majority of warped and extreme competitors taking top honors in SPL competitions today use ported enclosures, not sealed. Why? I think it is safe to say that many of these competitors don't actually know themselves, they just learn from trial and error. Cut and try.

So where does the answer to high SPL lie? The physicist is actually correct in theory to recommend a sealed enclosure. However, there is one small problem: subwoofers. Current subwoofer designs cannot move enough air due to excursion limitations. On the other hand, ported enclosures are slightly less dependent on excursion.
http://diyaudiocorner.tripod.com/dilemma.htm
Ported systems are all around good performers, and most commercial home speakers use some type of ported enclosure. Automotive subwoofer manufacturers also like the ported enclosure, and most design drivers for this type of installation. The tuned port in these systems increases efficiency by nearly 3 dB in an optimum enclosure, and the roll-off frequency can be much lower, often by as much as 1/3 - 1 octave below a sealed enclosure. Think of the extra 3 dB as equal to the output you would get using twice the amplifier power on the driver. Add several ported drivers together and you can achieve impressive SPL's indeed! Because of the ports damping characteristics on the driver above Fb, distortion levels are also lowered because driver excursion is less. So, with nothing more than a properly designed optimum vented enclosure, you have very efficient bass reproduction with several advantages over an optimum sealed enclosure.
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/IS...nclosures.html
Different types of boxes will produce different types of bass:

Sealed boxes: For deep, precise bass
A sealed box is an airtight enclosure housing your subwoofer. A sealed box is best for any music that demands tight, accurate bass. Expect flat response (not excessively boomy), deep bass extension, and excellent power handling. Since a sealed enclosure tends to require more power than a ported box, use an amplifier with ample wattage for optimum performance.

Ported boxes: For forceful bass
Ported boxes use a vent (called a port) to reinforce low bass response. You get more output than you would from a sealed box at any given amplifier wattage. Some people prefer the sound of ported boxes for rock, heavy metal, or any hard-driving music. Ported boxes can deliver deeper bass than sealed boxes, though they need to be much larger than sealed enclosures to accomplish that.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/8374.html
a ported box is usually about +3dB more efficient at the frequency of the tuned port(s). These boxes require less power than sealed to reach the same SPL, but below their tuned frequency, they are very hard to control, and require great amounts of power to produce those below-port frequencies. Ported enclosures also add coloration to the sound, which detracts from their accuracy.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...ed-ported.html
Well, you're not missing anything really... what you're noticing is the advantage of a vented allignment over a sealed allignment. Sealed boxes have only 1 source of spl, being the driver. Vented speakers have two sources, 1 being the port, the other being the driver.

In some smaller rooms, it makes more sense to go with a sealed subwoofer because they generally(w/o highpass) exhibit a 2nd-order roll-off after Fb (tuning frequency or enclosure resonance). Vented systems have a 4th order roll-off after Fb and an increasing danger of exceeding xmax after the tuning frequency. Smaller rooms will help the sealed subwoofer in the lower frequencies with its own contribution to spl called room gain. Also, since the roll-off is more gradual with the sealed subwoofer it may mesh better with the room gain. Vented boxes roll-off twice as fast below the tuning frequency.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-46475.html
in SPL comps ported is virtually te only kind of box used, tuned to the resonant frequency of the car you gain substantially over sealed boxes.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=133471
here's some facts for those wanting to design a sound system for more bass, especially deciding between sealed vs. ported boxes and amp wattage.

let's take a sub, a JL Audio 10" (10W0), for example. it handles 125W RMS and can be used in a sealed or ported box. it will work great in a 0.75 cuft sealed box and a 1.25 cuft ported box. for any given wattage, the sealed box will hit tighter and lower, while the ported will be louder. u can modify the sound of either box by changing box size and/or port size.

let's say the sub puts out 100dB at 125W in a sealed box (its probably lower than that). if wattage stays the same, the ported box will give a 3dB increase, so u'll get 103dB with the ported version.

for a sealed box, to increase SPL by 3dB, u have to double the power. so u can get 103dB from sealed if u feed it 250W. but now the speaker cant handle that much power.

so u have to decide what type of bass u want, accurate vs. loud. then decide how u want to increase SPL, by porting or by doubling the power?

one last thing, all else being equal, doubling the amount of subs will increase SPL by 6dB.

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so what is this crazy box your talking about?
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Originally Posted by thunder550
*EDIT* I re-read your posts about deep vs punchy, and in that respect it seems like we are on the same page now. But....looking at these sites below, the consensus seems to be that for louder SPL-type bass you defintiely want ported, which is what I have always heard.

http://www.caraudiomag.com/technical...eakers_basics/


http://diyaudiocorner.tripod.com/dilemma.htm


http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/IS...nclosures.html


http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/8374.html


http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...ed-ported.html


http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-46475.html


http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=133471
There talking about tuned port boxes, not regular open sub and port boxes. The tuned port boxes there talking about are kinda like huge bandpass. The sound pressure from the front of the sub and the rear of the sub never meet.
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Originally Posted by 4.8T
so what is this crazy box your talking about?
I'll draw it up and scan it to you.
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Originally Posted by Snake Eater
There talking about tuned port boxes, not regular open sub and port boxes. The tuned port boxes there talking about are kinda like huge bandpass. The sound pressure from the front of the sub and the rear of the sub never meet.
I thought all ported boxes were tuned to sound good....like mine I tuned for about 33hz. I can see just a box with a random hole cut in it for a port sounding like crap...are we talking about the same thing? Any box that was tuned to a certain frequency is a tuned port box?
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Originally Posted by Snake Eater
I'll draw it up and scan it to you.
Send it to me as well please.
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how do you tune for a certain frequency? i had a guy do it one time for me on another box but it was years ago and he said something like 36hz or around in there was like the hardest hitting bass. i know the lenght and width and all that but how do you arive at that measurement? what is the mathmatical equation?


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