Originally Posted by GMC_DUDE

(Smileys broken, please imagine BS flag here)

Anyone who has had 8th grade chemistry knows you can't run an internal combustion engine on water. Why? Because it's already burnt!!! (imagine smiley pounding hammer). Water is nothing more or less than burnt hydrogen. Now as to this quack's gizmo, I'm not sure what his "HHO gas mixture" is, and there is so much junk science in his explanation that I don't think he does either, but the key word I locked onto is "electrolysis". Electrolysis in this case is the passing of an electric current through water to break it down into its constituent elements, hydrogen and oxygen. It sounds like this guy thinks he has come up with a way to mix the resulting hydrogen and oxygen gases together without creating a huge explosion, until some catalyst (I'm guessing platinum sponge) is introduced, causing them to chemically recombine to form water again, with a substantial release of energy, hopefully in a controlled manner and not like the Hindenberg. So far nothing really new, it's been done since the 1800's. But do you see the catch? Electrolysis requires electricity, and lots of it, as it is the source of the substantial energy which is release on the recombination of the hydrogen and oxygen. In other words, the water is not a source of energy, but only a conveyance vehicle. The energy source is the electricity, or whatever creates it. Now where does the electricity come from, what with brownouts every summer?

Sorry, there really are no free lunches, but as P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute".

Please attempt to convince me otherwise.

Originally Posted by 02sierraz71_5.3

you need to read thier website they have already developed the technology with a 220v power supply (not much) they can convert h2o to hho and they can control the temp which it burns at. Klein has already developed a generator and converted his car to run off both water and gas. The generator is for sale Im normally the bigggest sceptic just like you but with news stations covering it around the US and him selling an already developed product along with patents and congress inviting him to the capital. If this is a farse its a good one, I sent them an email last night we'll see what they say Ill give me a call today see what they say. Just the fact that they have a phone number is good.

Originally Posted by exhappen

In the article I posted they talk about a metal alloy that they dropped in the water/salt solution and hydrogen bubbles formed on it. It is possible to lower the activation energy with a catalyst but that seemed a little on the far side to me. What do ya'll think?

Originally Posted by GMC_DUDE

Yes, if he is being invited to Congress it will indeed be interesting. I believe that his vehicle consumes water, just like an old-fashioned steam locomotive consumes water. But, in both cases the water is not the source of energy, but only a means of conveying it. For the steam engine it carries the energy from the burning coal, wood, or oil to the piston. In this guy's car it carries the energy from the 220V outlet to the fuel cell or whatever he is using. But the source of the energy is the electricity, and where does it come from? OK, it can come from other sources besides oil, so that may be a good thing, and if that is what he is saying, then he is telling the truth. But the notion that a car can run on water as its originating source of energy is just not correct.

But we shall see, stay tuned.