HUGE gains with MAF removed completely...
#1
HUGE gains with MAF removed completely...
I've been running an SD tune with the MAF still place for quite a while now....late yesterday evening I removed the MAF completely from the intake tract but still left it plugged in and sitting near the filter to keep the IAT sensor sort of half-assed working.
All I can say is WOW !!!
Using the pid in HPTuners for delivered torque (which I know is not accurate...but it's at least consistant in its inaccuracy so it can be used to detect changes) I was never able to get above 345 ft/lbs with the MAF in place....in a direct comparison on the same road yesterday evening 15 minutes apart I went from 341ft/lbs @ 4400rpm with the MAF installed to 374ft/lbs @ 4400rpm with the MAF removed (in both cases the IAT was reading 121º)...that's just shy of a 10% gain in power !!!
I unfortunatly cannot see grams/cyl now because there is no MAF reading to derive that number from so I can't give you an actual airflow gain....but I CAN tell you that it pulls MUCH harder from 2800 rpm on up to the shift at 6000 than it EVER did before
I'm running a screened 85mm MAF (stock 6.0)....I'm absolutely stunned that it it's that much of a restriction on a baby-cammed 6.0, I can only imagine how bad it's got to be on guys running 224's and bigger. I'm considering a 235/239 .575 lift cam....trying to run that through the MAF would be pointless !!
All I can say is WOW !!!
Using the pid in HPTuners for delivered torque (which I know is not accurate...but it's at least consistant in its inaccuracy so it can be used to detect changes) I was never able to get above 345 ft/lbs with the MAF in place....in a direct comparison on the same road yesterday evening 15 minutes apart I went from 341ft/lbs @ 4400rpm with the MAF installed to 374ft/lbs @ 4400rpm with the MAF removed (in both cases the IAT was reading 121º)...that's just shy of a 10% gain in power !!!
I unfortunatly cannot see grams/cyl now because there is no MAF reading to derive that number from so I can't give you an actual airflow gain....but I CAN tell you that it pulls MUCH harder from 2800 rpm on up to the shift at 6000 than it EVER did before
I'm running a screened 85mm MAF (stock 6.0)....I'm absolutely stunned that it it's that much of a restriction on a baby-cammed 6.0, I can only imagine how bad it's got to be on guys running 224's and bigger. I'm considering a 235/239 .575 lift cam....trying to run that through the MAF would be pointless !!
Last edited by Yelo; 07-21-2006 at 05:20 PM.
#2
Why not just wire a new IAT sensor into the tract somewhere. I did that to mine to get a better reading of the cooling effect of the meth injection and eliminate timing pull due to high IATs.
#3
Originally Posted by KY_BOB
Why not just wire a new IAT sensor into the tract somewhere. I did that to mine to get a better reading of the cooling effect of the meth injection and eliminate timing pull due to high IATs.
#4
Interesting, might have to try that this weekend.
I'm also running in SD right now w/ the stock MAF in place.
I am going to go this route someday.
I'm also running in SD right now w/ the stock MAF in place.
Originally Posted by KY_BOB
Why not just wire a new IAT sensor into the tract somewhere. I did that to mine to get a better reading of the cooling effect of the meth injection and eliminate timing pull due to high IATs.
#5
Yelo, I replied on tech too, but here it is again.
You can pull the sensor out of the maf with a pair of needle nose pliers. Then just drill a small hole and install the sensor wherever you want. I put mine just infront of my TB so that it would read the temp after my meth injection. I have an aluminum tube, so I used JB Weld. It isn't the neatest way, but it worked pretty well.
You can pull the sensor out of the maf with a pair of needle nose pliers. Then just drill a small hole and install the sensor wherever you want. I put mine just infront of my TB so that it would read the temp after my meth injection. I have an aluminum tube, so I used JB Weld. It isn't the neatest way, but it worked pretty well.
Last edited by sliderbkt; 07-21-2006 at 07:39 PM.
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#10
Nothing changed except my trims which went positive due to the increased airflow....I'm running SD so the MAF is disabled, all I did was change it's location to OUTSIDE the air-tract