Perhaps I may have jumped the gun
#11
Hello Dave
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Originally Posted by Whippled 496
Can you explain why? I want to do some logging and fill in my VE table, but you are saying i cant do this because i am running F/I. Why is that?
I can develop another way of doing it for you while leaving the MAF in place, but will require you to have a wideband hooked up to do so. Will require me to create a couple of custom PIDs, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll get the necessary details from you.
Justin
#12
Hello Dave
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Originally Posted by Whippled 496
Thats the thing, its not just WOT, its part throttle too. Look at the log, i have KR at part throttle quite a bit.
#13
Originally Posted by dc_justin
Because to easily fill out your VE table, you'll need to disable the MAF sensor... without a 2 bar map sensor, once you hit boost, the PCM will be completely blind and you'll go lean...
I can develop another way of doing it for you while leaving the MAF in place, but will require you to have a wideband hooked up to do so. Will require me to create a couple of custom PIDs, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll get the necessary details from you.
Justin
I can develop another way of doing it for you while leaving the MAF in place, but will require you to have a wideband hooked up to do so. Will require me to create a couple of custom PIDs, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll get the necessary details from you.
Justin
#14
Hello Dave
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Originally Posted by Whippled 496
Okay, cool. I should have the wideband here next week. Can i get a 2bar MAP and use it too? Would it incorporate itself into the tune even if i did not run in SD mode? I would like to have a 2 bar MAP just to be able to dial in the fuel, but does it mean I have to run a SD tune?
#15
Originally Posted by dc_justin
Nope, you can run a 2 bar MAP with a MAF, I've done it for over a year now. Your fueling will be more precise this way, and if you choose, you can run a custom OS and have even better fueling control.
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#16
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Originally Posted by dc_justin
Actually though, looking through your logs, the vast majority of your KR comes in at heavy throttle. The low-load KR that shows up in any maps is just the KR tapering towards zero. The key points in looking at KR are the points where it spikes up, as opposed to the entire trianglish shape.
justin, i forgot how you are set up...are you setting your maf to fail at particular hertz?
#17
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Originally Posted by dc_justin
Because to easily fill out your VE table, you'll need to disable the MAF sensor... without a 2 bar map sensor, once you hit boost, the PCM will be completely blind and you'll go lean...
I can develop another way of doing it for you while leaving the MAF in place, but will require you to have a wideband hooked up to do so. Will require me to create a couple of custom PIDs, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll get the necessary details from you.
Justin
I can develop another way of doing it for you while leaving the MAF in place, but will require you to have a wideband hooked up to do so. Will require me to create a couple of custom PIDs, so if you're interested, let me know and I'll get the necessary details from you.
Justin
Ive outlined my tuning method for the MAF in the stickies up top and it works, Ive used it on a 408 with spray and an 8.1 with a whipple, NA engines its even easier the methodology is simple set your pe close to the mathmatical commanded afr like if you want 12.0:1 set it too 1.22 and scan. Then tweak the curve using the trims when not in pe fueling and eyeball it when your in pe. The MAF HZ table has 100+ cells where you can tweak each point in the throttle where as the pe table has alot less, the ve table has good resolution but you cant use it effectively in this case.
Kano: saw me do it a couple days ago and it lines **** up very quickly and easily.
Whipple 496: Id bet every dollar I have(which isnt alot) that if you drop those IAT's 100 degrees 90% of his KR goes away. Id tune the fuel first before even thinking about raising timing. Id also be shooting for a fat WOT for safety sake then once shes dialed in start hunting power. You maf table is under
engine calibration-maf-maf sensor calibration its a positive sloping curve we want to keep it in that shape, the changes you'll make will be percentages like muliplying by 1.05= adding 5%
-I would also enable pe mode early around 40% tps
-set enrichment rate to the max (pe delay counter adjustment=max I think its 409.6 in efi live)
-your pe modifier based on RPM is a lamda value set it too .8 you can change it later
The methods Im describing are only a band-aid the real fix is getting a map to read boost and an OS that can add fuel for boost
Last edited by 02sierraz71_5.3; 09-11-2006 at 03:09 PM.
#18
Originally Posted by 02sierraz71_5.3
Whipple 496: Id bet every dollar I have(which isnt alot) that if you drop those IAT's 100 degrees 90% of his KR goes away. Id tune the fuel first before even thinking about raising timing. Id also be shooting for a fat WOT for safety sake then once shes dialed in start hunting power. You maf table is under
engine calibration-maf-maf sensor calibration its a positive sloping curve we want to keep it in that shape, the changes you'll make will be percentages like muliplying by 1.05= adding 5%
-I would also enable pe mode early around 40% tps
-set enrichment rate to the max (pe delay counter adjustment=max I think its 409.6 in efi live)
-your pe modifier based on RPM is a lamda value set it too .8 you can change it later
The methods Im describing are only a band-aid the real fix is getting a map to read boost and an OS that can add fuel for boost
engine calibration-maf-maf sensor calibration its a positive sloping curve we want to keep it in that shape, the changes you'll make will be percentages like muliplying by 1.05= adding 5%
-I would also enable pe mode early around 40% tps
-set enrichment rate to the max (pe delay counter adjustment=max I think its 409.6 in efi live)
-your pe modifier based on RPM is a lamda value set it too .8 you can change it later
The methods Im describing are only a band-aid the real fix is getting a map to read boost and an OS that can add fuel for boost
#19
Hello Dave
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Originally Posted by 02sierraz71_5.3
Whipple 496: Id bet every dollar I have(which isnt alot) that if you drop those IAT's 100 degrees 90% of his KR goes away.
#20
Hello Dave
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Originally Posted by 02sierraz71_5.3
Ive outlined my tuning method for the MAF in the stickies up top and it works, Ive used it on a 408 with spray and an 8.1 with a whipple, NA engines its even easier the methodology is simple set your pe close to the mathmatical commanded afr like if you want 12.0:1 set it too 1.22 and scan. Then tweak the curve using the trims when not in pe fueling and eyeball it when your in pe. The MAF HZ table has 100+ cells where you can tweak each point in the throttle where as the pe table has alot less, the ve table has good resolution but you cant use it effectively in this case.
Kano: saw me do it a couple days ago and it lines **** up very quickly and easily.
Kano: saw me do it a couple days ago and it lines **** up very quickly and easily.
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